best skiff

   As I think was said in a prevous thread..........
If you can call it a skiff at Belmont Skiff Club (Sydney) and walk out without a broken nose......  Then it is a skiff.  49er, Cherub, B14 and RS boats ect you had better be quick on your feet at Belmont.
I understand that the Northern Hemisphere have a different view on what a skiff is but in the eyes of OZ and NZ, unless you have seen and sailed a skiff, you just don't understand what a skiff is.
Flame away guys.
Best skiff.......
12 footer (not cherub) - is the craziest
18 footer - fastest and most power.
16 footer - best class racing local.
14 footer - best international racing.

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Tornado_ALIVE Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Nov 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 611	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tornado_ALIVE Report Post Quote Reply Topic: best skiff Posted: 19 Apr 05 at 12:50pm
	As I think was said in a prevous thread.......... If you can call it a skiff at Belmont Skiff Club (Sydney) and walk out without a broken nose...... Then it is a skiff. 49er, Cherub, B14 and RS boats ect you had better be quick on your feet at Belmont. I understand that the Northern Hemisphere have a different view on what a skiff is but in the eyes of OZ and NZ, unless you have seen and sailed a skiff, you just don't understand what a skiff is. Flame away guys. Best skiff....... 12 footer (not cherub) - is the craziest 18 footer - fastest and most power. 16 footer - best class racing local. 14 footer - best international racing.
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Jack Sparrow Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jack Sparrow Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Aug 05 at 1:02pm
	OZ cherub may well not be called a skiff down in the Southern Hem, but the UK Cherub ( twin wire, 15.5sqm up wind & 21sqm kite ) plains up wind and down in all but the very lightest of wind. So in my book its a skiff. Esp when the current 12ft skiff interdoms champ casts his eye over it and has no probs with the term skiff.
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	that boy is a legend. Not quite sure how your boat survived the punishment that it went through with his "tuning" mind you! I was a bit wary of him having a look at mine after that
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Jack Sparrow Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jack Sparrow Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Aug 05 at 1:21pm
	Yes I was impressed with the GNAV standing up to Yabs attentions, esp as it wasn't looking to good before we started the tuning! The best bit is as we were doing the tuning in full mid day sun the GNAV boom bracket actually remoulded it's self into a new shape!! Post curing for it next time in the oven!
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Tornado_ALIVE Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Nov 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 611	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tornado_ALIVE Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Aug 05 at 1:32pm
	This is currnetly being discused on Sailing Anarchy. Check out this link and below is my latest post. http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=213 95&st=50 For me, a skiff is ONLY one of the home grown 12, 14, 16 or 18s modern and Historical. (also historical 6,8 and 10 footers) A 49er is called a 49er A Cherub is called a cherub. What do you call a 12 foot skiff if you don't call it a skiff????? 49er, UK Cherub, RS800 may be skiff like in performance but I don't believe they should be called skiffs. Skiff like but not skiff. For me skiffs are all about Sydney Harbour and Brisbane River, clubs filled with pokies, paid crews, spectator fairies, heavy drinking and late starts to accommodate , raw uncompromising men (that’ll knock you on the head if you try and call a 49er a Skiff), boat advertising, no sail numbers, non ISAF recognised, class off their own. Would like to here more thoughts from some of the Aussie skiff guys.
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Jack Sparrow Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jack Sparrow Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Aug 05 at 1:48pm
	I like your style! God's a wounderfull chap to accomodate you Ozzy's with sea breezes just so you can get plastered seriously we in the UK Cherub class have tried as much as possiable to do everthing your talking about Inclucing non ISAF recongnition! They threaten us last time we called a Worlds a Worlds so we had to call it an Intergalatics!! Our boats weren't the same as the OZ ones you see. OK what about this.... and only for arguments sake, we changed the name of the UK Cherub, as we seem to have alot of boats that don't sail in the UK ( France, Italy, USA, e.t.c) to something with skiff in the title. I don't know 3.7m Skiff ( snappy! ) would it then be a Skiff? And what about the "R"class is that a skiff in your book?
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Tornado_ALIVE Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Nov 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 611	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tornado_ALIVE Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Aug 05 at 2:46pm
	Hi Jack, R Class….. Will have to find out more about the history of this class. New Zealand based class. Looks like either they separated from the 12s and have a lot more restrictions or the 12’ skiffs separated from the R Class creating an ‘Outlaw class” 3.7 Skiff…. What….. Should never use metric in boating Just not cool. As far as the UK Cherub. They are moving closer and closer towards the 12’ skiff. Why did they not just dump the Cherub name and adopt the 12 skiff or R class Rules. Too big of a jump to quick I guess. Also I'd imagine a lot of class pride. Anyway the UK and AUS Cherub can race as a 12’ skiff in any event ( non ISAF aproved) including a 12’ skiff event as with most 12 dinghy classes. They will however be disadvantaged. I guess you have to grow up in with the Aussie skiff scene to understand. No offence to other classes but ….. To most AUS / NZ skiffies, the term skiff refers to a name of boat and its culture and not just to describe the sailing characteristics of a class that already has a name. Cheers
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Skiffe Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 24 Jun 05 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 220	Post Options Post Reply Quote Skiffe Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Aug 05 at 3:04pm
	ALL SKIFF CLASSES have tradition somthing that CANNOT BE BOUGHT, its created over many years. Did you know there were also MODEL skiffs, every thing from 6 inches upto 2 feet and "full size" skiffs from 6ft to 24ft? Lets see Julian Beithwatie create this kind of history since 1860 thats right 1860 well before carbon aluminum stainless steel and EPOXY so classes like 49er B14 etc were never able to be created. Skiffs started out as a rebelous type of racing particulary after the formation of the Sydney Flying Squadron where as 49er etc are part of the establishment and their class is called a skiff? Ask any old time skiffie about if a 49er is a skiff you will either get carried out of the club posibly unconus. I would say ot be classed as a skiff you must meet most if not all of the following points. 1.History, can your class point to a history of development under its own name as a class not as a couple of prototypes? 2. Are you accepted by the establishment? 3. Do you embrace the "high performance" eithos? 4. Do you have to build it yourself, have it customade? 5. Very few rules? I know that in rescent times both the 16 and 18 have lost this, pity realy 6. NO SAIL NUMBERS. sorry to the 14 blokes 7. Have or did have a feeder system, for new blood into the class, that WASN'T created by the company building the boat? So what do I think? 12s, 16s, 18s, and australian 14 are all skiffs. The 29er, NO way The 49er, See above B14, geting closer at lest NOT one sail design Australian Cherub, complise with 1 and 4 UK Cherub, complises with 1, 2, 3, 4. from what i can see Also could be included in this is the int moth with complises with 1, 3, 4, 5 and to a greater or lesser extent 2. I'm now sitting back for sombody to prove me wrong. At the end of the day if your class can compliy with this list or think of any other points please let me know.
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JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Aug 05 at 4:08pm
	Hang on mate, in 2 are you saying its a skiff if you are accepted by the Yottie establishment? Surely it should be the opposite! For my money a skiff is a 1 footer, 6footer, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 22, 24 etc. I think however its useful to define a "skiff type", which is a boat that is linearly descended from/involved in the development of the 12,14,16,18 through the fifties on, and also in closely related Kiwi Q, M, R classes. You've got in that sequence designers like Beashel, Bethwaite, Bowler, Farr, Lexcen/Miller, Murray etc etc. There are a number of features that are common - light weight, planing performance emphasised etc etc. Arguably Britannia and the other 30s Skiffs aren't skiff types in that sense, but of course they are Skiffs! Similarly a Hungry Tiger or Axeman Moth is a Skiff in a different sense, but also not a skiff type There are very gray definitions in that - the Laser 2 is very much involved in that lineage but in no way is a skiff type, Cherubs probably weren't really skiff types till the Murray/Wop era, 29er, 49er definitely are, RS800 is, RS400, Laser 5000 aren't and so on. But I do think this is a more useful term than arguing of whether it is or isn't a skiff, because the phrase has been used for so very many types of boats over the years.

Wave Rider Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 909	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wave Rider Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Aug 05 at 4:35pm
	You are all arguing about boats being skiff's or not, all it is, is a name, if you wish to call your boat a skiff just because it sounds good and you think it is a skiff, fine, does that really matter. You SHOULD buy a boat becuase you like/enjoy its performance/looks and some people/manufacturers just call their boats a skiff just becuase it is fast and it sounds 'macho' to own a skiff and may boost sales (i think this is sad, you shouldnt buy a boat 'cos its a skiff, it should be because of the factors above)! If no one can settle on what a skiff actually is and which boats fall into that category, just disagree! The RYA have described their definition of a skiff which is most likely what a skiff is! 'a boat which has the ability to plane up and downwind which alos has the use of significant righting moment e.g. racks, trapeze or both' So if your boat falls into that category, i guess its a skiff, and if it doesnt SORRY but it isnt! Most of all DOES IT MATTER? Edited by Wave Rider
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