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Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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Hi earthbm I'll be interested in your experiences with the Vago when it arrives. Don't forget photos as well. My view is it will probably sell pretty well. Looks OK on dry land anyway. |
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earthbm ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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funny how the Vago-specific thread got taken over by Mirror/Optimist opinions. The reason I chose Vago is that it seems to be in the sweet spot of price/size/complexity/modern design, made by the only manufacturer with the truly global distribution network. All this gives it a better shot at becoming the new Laser than any other boat. In the meanwhile, my shipping date was delayed by 1 week - supposed to be shipped (to Italy) on July 12ths. How many RS boats or Toppers are there in Italy or Germany (my locations) compared to Lasers? Almost none. Yes, may be one day when my sons grow up we will have the skills to sail the 49ers. Or may be they will take up cat sailing like their dad. If speed were the only considerations there would not be any dinghy sailing - I can run circles around any RS boat in my catamaran, and sail much faster than (comparable sailor skill) 49er. Yet I am also buying the Vago, because I think it is the best deal around in dinghies on fun/performance/price and will grow into one of the largest "classes" globally (also = resale value). Edited by earthbm |
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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Well said Rupert. Here here. Too many E numbers in their sweeties I think. Wonder what sort of weight the Vago can cope with? I'll be interested to see one out on the water. |
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Sumo ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 144 |
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I agree with the sentiment, i.e. most people seem to view a boat's speed as the only criteria to consider, which is why I am buying a Vago and not a second hand Laser 4000. I personaly want to sail a boat that challanges my skills without overwhelming them. I do however see the Vago as a stepping stone to a higher performance dinghy in the future, if I continue to learn and improve. It is for that reason that I haven't and wouldn't consider a Mirror, not because I think the Mirror is in any way a bad dinghy. Indeed the Mirror from a historical stand point provided a very cheap way for a lot of people to go sailing. I for one love the fact that we have so much choice in what dinghy to sail, i.e. it should be impossible not to find a dinghy suitable for anybodies personal requirements. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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If I were a kid thinking of coming into sailing, I suspect I'd take up a different sport if I'd read the above sl*gging off of Mirrors and oppies. There are huge numbers of Mirrors and Oppies around the world, with more people enjoying racing and cruising them than any other boats barring possibly Lasers. They both are the shape they are to get maximum size from a given length, and considering the design restraints sail remarkebly well. So many on the forum are obsessed with absolute speed - sailing has always been about how fast things feel. Planing flat out in a Mirror is an amazing sensation, especially in ours, where wondering if the 35 year old sails are just about to blow apart adds an extra dimension!
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Peter Rhodes ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Apr 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 171 |
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it also allows more volume in the bow underwater so that buoyancy distribution is improved |
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Blobby ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
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I think you'll find the chopped off ends just make it shorter... Edited by Blobby |
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Peter Rhodes ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Apr 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 171 |
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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Can I have the last word on Mirrors before we continue with Vagos. There is no point about talking absolute speed with sail boats - most people can ride a bike much faster than any sail boat! However the Mirror is an extremely responsive little boat. Did you know that stunt planes often have the ends cut off their wings to reduce inertia. Similarly the chopped off bow gives the Mirror very light ends and you can feel it when steering. Its one of the many charms of this very versitile boat. Having read the Vago test in Y&Y I'd say this could turn out to be a significant design. I look forward to seeing one in the flesh especially as the finish looks good compared to other rotomoulded designs. |
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stuarthop ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 22 Dec 04 Location: Nottingham Online Status: Offline Posts: 1040 |
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Cheers BNS (the peace keeper) |
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