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    Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 10:00pm

Leave the poor boy alone Stu...  
Don't you think it's quite a feat to write the whole paragraph without breathing?

And don't you admire the divination skills:

Originally posted by peter our Mirror supporter

the only reason you think it is harder to rig is because you are too blinkered to famelierise yourself with other methods of standing rigging

Come on, Pete... chill out!  It's great to be loyal to a class, but you've got to admit there are more state-of-the-art objects floating around.
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a mirror is most definatly a worse boat than an oppie!!

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I find the gunter rig less hastle than bemudian because once it is rigged the mainsail can be hoisted and dropped quickly and easily without having to feed it into the mast every time, the aft mainsheet is less likely to tie you up in knots and the only reason you think it is harder to rig is because you are too blinkered to famelierise yourself with other methods of standing rigging and because it is the shape of a boat instead of a packing case it is more of a "proper" boat than an oppie and handicaps mean that speed or the lack of it is not an issue
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Originally posted by stuarthop

i used to have a 2 yr old race rigged mirror and i hated it aft mainsheet(totaly piontless just ties you up i n knots), that stupid gaff which makes it harder to rig. Just was not an enjoyable boat to race. So I went bact to optimists for another 2 years before moving into proper boats.

The UK class has just voted to allow all alloy spars and a bermuda rig,  and centre main,  this will make the Mirror a proper little race boat
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Anything else bar aft mainsheet is gonna cause massive problems for your crew in such a short boat.  And I always found the gaff made no difference to rigging speed, as its still just one halyard after all, just attached to a different part (well, two halyards including jib).  Plus it meant that the short mast could be stepped singlehanded.
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i used to have a 2 yr old race rigged mirror and i hated it aft mainsheet(totaly piontless just ties you up i n knots), that stupid gaff which makes it harder to rig. Just was not an enjoyable boat to race. So I went bact to optimists for another 2 years before moving into proper boats.

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As we're all leaping to the defense of mirrors, always felt that singlehanding in a breeze, you hardly seem to notice that you're the slowest thing on the water.  Planes ridiculously easily (fireball-esque hull maybe?), kicks up huge amounts of spray and the whole rig hums.  Fair enough, if your after being first back to the jetty after each race, you might have problems, but if you're just out for a laugh sailing (and something that pops up easily when you capsize it), mirror's still up there.

Anyways, sorry, what were we talking about?!
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Originally posted by stuarthop

no peter hardly any one wants a mirror they're far too slow and most are too higher maintainance

What is wrong with being slow ?,  the speed or lack of it is one of the factors that makes the Mirror so great.  It means the racing is incredibly close, you have to work very hard to squeeze the last ounce of speed out of the boat and keep a good position in the fleet.  At the Nationals we had 91 boats,  each race had a different winner and only the winner managed to post all results in the top ten and this was only just with a couple of eights and a tenth,  so no room for error.  We also had numerous top sailors and champions from other classes competing with the likes of Vince Horey (Fireball) and John Brickwood (Lark) out there with their children,  and people like Ian Walker coming back to Mirrors.  So how can you claim no one wants a Mirror.

With regards maintenance,  competitive (won the Europeans) FRP boats are available and we are introducing all alloy spars,  so shouldn't be an issue.  Complete race boats start from £3500.  Wooden boats are epoxy coated and have stiffer floors,  so unlikely to fall through.

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Originally posted by m_liddell

Originally posted by redback

I'm wondering how it fits in with the Laser 3000 which must have similar performance to the Buzz and has the pedigree of being a Bethwaite hull.

Me too. I think the 3000 was a really good boat, it felt good and great for learning trapeze/asymmetric sailing, it just needed a F3-4 to get it going. Shame the class died, probably since after sailing it for a season or so it would easy to move up to the 4000 or even an RS800.

I can see the vago being more successful in this respect, since it appears to be aimed at people who want something only maginally more exciting than a 2000 or something and not is not a racing class as far as I'm aware.

 

Having sailed the L3000 I can say that the Vago is a much better boat, faster, more stable and more comfortable.

In reference to the earlier comment with regard to Symetric versus Assymetric, the key advantage of the later is that you can sail single handed.
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Originally posted by redback

I'm wondering how it fits in with the Laser 3000 which must have similar performance to the Buzz and has the pedigree of being a Bethwaite hull.

Me too. I think the 3000 was a really good boat, it felt good and great for learning trapeze/asymmetric sailing, it just needed a F3-4 to get it going. Shame the class died, probably since after sailing it for a season or so it would easy to move up to the 4000 or even an RS800.

I can see the vago being more successful in this respect, since it appears to be aimed at people who want something only maginally more exciting than a 2000 or something and not is not a racing class as far as I'm aware.

 



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