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TonyL ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 57 |
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"Going back a bit it seems that classes which dissappear lack good class associations?"
Yes, agree with this completely and this can happen to relatively new classes too. Some of the classes launched by Topper, RS, and Laser in the 90's never really got started did they? Mind you, this does mean there are some cheap relatively modern boats around for those that want to hack around at the club, which might be the upside of a class doing down the pan! |
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Contender443 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211 |
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Be careful though - don't be the last person in the Q who has a boat that they cannot sell OR the first person who takes a massive hit on the depreciation. Ask any past or current owner of a Laser EPS!! |
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TonyL ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 57 |
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"Ask any past or current owner of a Laser EPS!!"
Spot on, I bought an almost unused EPS last year for around 25% of its new price, so the poor first owner lost like 75% depreciation. Nice boat but not for me, & I sold it on for what I paid for it. I was aware of the risk of being stuck with a boat that was unsaleable, but it was cheap enough for that not to be bother me too much. Stunning boat for the money though, dead class or not. Interesting to predict if any of the current massively hyped "new" classes from the big 3 (Topper, RS, Laser) will be in the bargain basement bucket too when 3 or 4 years old! |
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Guest ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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Which SMOD's would people consider to be in the bargain bucket now and in 12 months? NOW - Laser 5000; ISO, RS600, RS300, Buzz, Boss, Spice, Laser EPS, 12 months - I dare not say ... It's not a bad thing being in the bucket as you can get very good cheap sailing? Rick |
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TonyL ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 57 |
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"Which SMOD's would people consider to be in the bargain bucket now and in 12 months?"
I think that for those SMOD's that have been around a while there's some indication of what their future is. A lack of an association is a major (negative) indicator, as are limited sales, events, and profile. However, what is really tough to predict is which of the current crop of SMOD launches aren't going to make it, especially with all the manufacturer hype behind them to confuse the issue! I'd personally be way cautious about investing £5k upwards in a brand new SMOD class until I was convinced the class was viable and depreciation was likely to be sensible. But what's interesting in thinking about the number of "failed" classes is there are more "new" classes on it than old ones. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I don't think the new crop of classes are failing any more regularly than they did in the past - there is just a bigger marketing budget behind them so they do it more publically! A leaf through any old book of dinghies will show dozens of boats which never made it from any period, either because there was a problem with the design, or it didn't look right, or because it was up against something else. The past is littered with singlehanders that were killed by the Laser, for instance, and I'm sure many more will be in the future. No fault of either the failed boat or the Laser, really, just a free market working!
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Ian29937 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 25 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 409 |
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I'm not sure that Rick's list is definitive in any case. Neither of the RS boats are out of production and both have active associations and are still being supported by LDC. I know the RS600's are very active and have a healthy new crop of student owners attracted by the lower second hand prices. Similarly the 300's have already had a 50% increase in the number of boats attending there circuit opens over last year. Down maybe but definately not out. |
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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I don't think you can count the Buzz and 300 as being on the way out and as for the Laser 5000 and ISO they were popular for a while, and I keep seeing a few. The EPS has certainly faded inspite of being quite a nice boat to sail. The Boss and Spice are definitley on the way out but the 600 seems to have found another niche - that of hairy single hander for those who want to get trained up. Let's face it if you can sail a 600 in most breezes you can sail almost anything.
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kissmyrs ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
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I would disagree with the 300 being on its way out. Its had a rough few
years and compared to the more popular RS's hasn't exactly hit off but
the last 2 years its been on the up and now has quite a large and
growing following and i feel it will bring itself back towards the
popular end of the single handers market. The class association has
finally got started to promote the class as the boat it actually is and
so now more sailors that the boat is actually designed for are getting
into them and the class is beginning to fly. However time will tell and
it may well fall down again in 5 years time but i think its got more of
a chance to succeed than the 600 as it hasn't been written off by newer
more exciting classes in the same market like the 700 and mussie have
to the 600.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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The 300 does need to sort out the small rig though. In any open meeting report amazement is expressed if a sailor with a small rig boat does well.
According to the last racing classes review in Y&Y, based on sail number increases over previous years, SMODs with less than 10 boats built include Boss (0), Iso (-31!!). L3000 (-1!), L5000(-5!), Spice(0), Tasar(0), MRX(1), RS600(3), RS400(6), B14(7). I'm suspecting the actual sail number change may be more accuirate than claimed sales, which show even more interesting inconsistencies than quoted latest sail numbers do. I think we can assume that the negatives suggest over enthusiastic reporting in previous years... RS300 wasn't recorded but sold 0 in 2003. I don't know how many boats Topper, Laser or whatever need to sell to make it worth keeping the class on.Presumably its more for a large manufacturer than a small one. The most popular boats in terms of numbers were Solo, Enterprise, Wayfarer, RS200, Laser 2000. Rather gives the lie to theories that boats have to be fast to be popularthese days: none of those are exactly speedy. Edited by JimC |
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