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    Posted: 12 Jun 05 at 9:19pm
The problem if you keep the extension forward (as opposed to sweep around the back) is it easy to oversteer... especially on those windy gybes!
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in 9ers and 405's (duno about any other boats) you dont  ''sweep'' it round the back  u keep it forward...so can stay forward with single unlike double.
 true 2 hands has gotta be betta than 1!
but  in the littler boats.. if the helm has a good thechnique  it gonna go quiker and flatter then a 2  handed crap main playing crew
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Why can the helm not keep his weight forward with twin tillers??? You have to go back to the same point in the boat whether you are sweeping the extension around the back or changing extensions.

The crew should always be able to play the main better than the helm as they have two hands! 405s where designed quite a while ago compared to 29ers and hence IMHO why some of the technique used are not as good...
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twins are good in anything above 15knots but there a right pain in the ass in the light stuff; helm cant keep weight forward in tacks or gybes etc...
as for main off the boom its mostly in skiff type boats n depends on the size of the boat.
29ers and anything the same size or bigger do it but in for example in 405's only 2 or 3 boats ever did it n only if it was 25 knots plus.
n in situations such as that depends if the helm or crew has a better technique for playin it.
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Yeh twin tillers give you alot more control, just watch the gybing in higher and faster, just come of the wire run and slide your hands down and turn 
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Leaves a tidier deck layout too. Less things to hit when running accross the boat. Tried both systems on skiffs and would hate to go back to the conventional system. Red Back mentioned that twin tillers are a disadvvantage. Would strongly disagree because with the twin tiller system you have more control through tacks when its windier. Whats easier, swinging a tiller round the back of a boat or simply sliding your hands along it? Suppose its all down to personal preference.

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Additional to Jim C's excellent reasons......

....on a boat with a transom main sheet strop (eg a 29er or laser 2), off the boom sheeting makes it possible to pass a really long tiller extension through the boat when tacking.  And sticking with transom strops make it possible to use a lighter boom while still maintaining leach tension.  

On my Laser 2 the tiller extension length is limited by the positon of the main sheet running through the block on the floor to a little less than you need when out on the wire.  And if you move the strop to the middle, the boom snaps.  So sheeting off the boom should really help (keep meaning to try it).

Finally, if the Bethwaites say it's a good idea, it probably is!
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You have a much directer fell over the sail and playing it is alot easier - in the case of the skiffs - 49ers, 14s etc the crew takes it upwind, with 2 hands to play the sail , and the helm free to sail accordin to the gusts it is much faster than the helm tryin to do it all at once!! Off the boom is also a much nicer angle when trapezing than off the floor malarkey, and it also frees the boat from all useluss clutter!!
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it makes it easyer to play the sail thats why ainsley was doing it
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Bobbins

Someone explain whats so good about having the mainsheet coming straight off the boom (via blocks etc)? 

Some more points...
  • Mainsheet load helps out tired legs/stomach muscles hiking.
  • Because you can't jam the mainsheet you don't jam the mainsheet so you play it properly which is far faster than leaving it jammed.
  • Less blocks - less friction. OK its an extreme case bit on my Cherub the mainsheet goes through two blocks, one on the end of the boom and the ratchet in the middle. So free running, so much less effort.

 

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