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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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How heavy are you? I've seen light people struggle to right an inverted 2000 (and 2000's love to invert, just like most modern boats - they all have too much buoyancy, probably to satisfy stupid regulations or to make them cheap to build with simple deck mouldings). I hate to think how much worse the situation would be you're the only adult with small children floating about in the water. With a Wayfarer, it's less likely to capsize in the first place and, so long as it doesn't have a double bottom, it will lay on its side till you right it (and my puny 10 stone suffices for that). OK, it will then take ages to bail - starting with a bucket - but if you're not racing hard, who cares? You'll be in control. I suspect a GP would be similar unless the newer ones have buoyancy arrangements that make them invert. |
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DiverSteve ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 28 |
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The pn is lower for the Vision than for the 2000 and other reports indicate that it is faster as would be indicated by this. I am surprised that you state the 2000 to be faster. I had more or less convinced myself in favour of the Vision on the basis of about equal speed with perhaps the vision having the edge, equal stability, but with the facility to use an outboard which would be an advantage for cruising. I also liked the reverse vang which looks to offer more space for the crew. RS claim that the fully rigged sailing weight is only about 4Kgs heavier than the 2000. Finally there is a cost advantage. I would welcome comments. I did also consider a xenon.
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target ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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i think it depends on WHERE you want to sail
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HannahJ ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 861 |
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GP14 all the way. Some lovely boats for sale, n wooden ones are easier
to mend than plastic ones... also bags of room, spinny isn't that hard,
n they are nice racing as well, n u don't need a new boat for racing
either.
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Pondling ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 149 |
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an rs vision could be good for your family. as a teenager me n my friends hav decided that its a crusing boat and that we could fit 6 of us in it with the cockpit bags full of food n drinks. so for a family its really stable n there is so much leg room! www.rssailing.com
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Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...)
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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I don't think there is much difference in room withina GP14 and a Laser 2000. Being heavier the GP is less responsive and will feel more stable - but that is about the only advantage of weight. Foresail sheet loads are high in the GP and its a bitch to pull up the ramp or beach. The spinnaker is complex compared with the asymmetric of the 2000. Don't buy a wooden GP unless you love maintenance, but an old glass GP will be much cheaper than a 2000. For me it would have to be a 2000 every time but there may be some special quality in the GP which suits you and makes the difference (for instance it may be what they sail at your local club). I suspect a GP will be faster in drifting conditions, in all other conditions the 2000 will thrash it but if you're going to sail with novice wife and a todler this is hardly a consideration.
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carshalton fc ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 2337 |
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yer i teach people how to sail in the vision and they are stable but not as stable as the 2000 and the 2000 fits all your needs!! the 2000 is much faster than the vision and you could fit the trapeze option on to the 2000!! it really depends if u want to sail with the association or if you just want fun or club raceing!!
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scapula ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 19 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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Been continuing my search - what are your thoughts on the RS vision - looks like it does it all - big and stable enough for family, but added safety of outboard option for cruising, and a bit of performance for sailing with mates, gennaker, trapeze options. Does anyone have any experience of this boat - looks like it might be a bit more fun (especially for me!) than the wayfarer type option.
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Mike278 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 256 |
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well we've had 3 adults in a 2000, and there was planty of room for all of us (including all 3 hiking), and we often get families racing the GP14 with 3 or 4 people in them, and instructing in the wayfarer you can have 4 people compfortably.
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