What boat?
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Topic: What boat?
Posted By: scapula
Subject: What boat?
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 10:41am
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Hi, I need some advice. I have reasonable dinghy experience but not loads. I am after a dinghy that I can sail with my wife who is a novice and with a toddler as well. It would be nice to also be able to take an additional adult on occassions. I am basically looking for something for cruising around poole harbour, but would like a spinnaker. I am thinking wayfarer, enterprise etc - what are your views? Thanks |
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Posted By: hydrographer20
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 10:51am
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well i think a wayfarer provides alot fo room and is very stable so would be good with a todler in tow, however you will also want to take into consideration the type of fleet present in poole harbour in case you want to race or just for advice. the enterprise is a good 2 man cruising boat but you would be at a push to fit an extra adult in i reckon, i would go with the wayfarer personally fomr what seem to be describing ------------- byte me!- GBR 814 |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 1:45pm
| Wayfarer. Ent is not big enough for your needs, does not have a spinnaker and in my opinion is not stable enough to take a toddler sailing. To be honest, while I don't believe in wrapping kids in cotton wool, I'm not sure any dinghy is a place for a toddler. |
Posted By: maxim
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 8:03pm
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I son't know, I remember going out in my dad's boat
when I was a toddler. Can't remember what boat it was, some sort of wayfareresque day boat of some sort... I've also got a '2 and a bit' year old sister, and even though she's a serious handful, I think she'd quite enjoy it. Soon as she's properly potty-trained she's going straight into an Oppie!! 
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Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 9:19pm
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GP 14, spiniker, room for 4 stable enough for a todler, great cruising boat ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 10:56pm
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my dad used to take me out in his flying 15 from the age of two very stable and pretty fast with the kite up. ------------- |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 20 May 05 at 8:50am
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Do you? I know some people are sure they have memories going back very early but most people can't remember anything younger than around 4, which is well past "toddler". |
Posted By: hydrographer20
Date Posted: 20 May 05 at 9:23am
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well i think it all depends on the experinces i mean perhaps if you were experiencing a new thing such as sailing at a young age or somthing with has a centimental memory then i think you can remember it. but a flying 15 at 2- sounds gr8 fun lol, ------------- byte me!- GBR 814 |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 20 May 05 at 10:51am
| Average age of first memory is 3 1/2 according to http://www.ihf.org/lecture/bauer_trans.html - http://www.ihf.org/lecture/bauer_trans.html |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 20 May 05 at 11:41am
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My first memory is being picked up by the ankles and getting slapped. On a serious note a vareo could fit the bill. I once borrowed one and there was enough room for my daughter who was six at the time to move around the front, it was suprisingly stable and the spini gave her some thing to do. Even if I was trimming it and she just had her hand on the sheet. Plus if you get a girly coloured kite then there will be less protests from the missus. ------------- 
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Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 20 May 05 at 11:45am
Oops just read the original question properly. There will not be enough room for you all in a vareo . Try a laser 2000. Roomy, reasonably stable in the light stuff and plenty of performance with the kite up. Also very robust. BBSC bought some of these as hire boats and they proved very popular.-------------
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Posted By: maxim
Date Posted: 20 May 05 at 12:57pm
Yeah, because my dad's mentioned it, and I can definately remember certain things like eating chocolate in the boat, and the lifejacket, and really weird small new experiences that stick with you when you're young...
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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 20 May 05 at 1:20pm
| Interesting. I know someone else who reckons they have memories back to two. Personally, the earliest I can place was just before my 4th birthday. I repeated something one of my parents had said about someone and can remember the horrified expression on their faces at hearing it back from the mouth of their angelic little boy. |
Posted By: scapula
Date Posted: 20 May 05 at 3:07pm
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Thanks for the advice - keep it coming please - I personally like the idea of the laser 2000, but feel that the GP14 might be a wise idea - with a bit more room. I have only sailed the 2000 a couple of times, and that was a while ago - for purely cruising about on a sunny summers day, how many adults (plus toddler) do you think would be possible. also same question goes for gp14 and wayfarer. thanks again for all the advice
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Posted By: Mike278
Date Posted: 20 May 05 at 6:17pm
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well we've had 3 adults in a 2000, and there was planty of room for all of us (including all 3 hiking), and we often get families racing the GP14 with 3 or 4 people in them, and instructing in the wayfarer you can have 4 people compfortably. ------------- Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night. |
Posted By: scapula
Date Posted: 25 May 05 at 12:02pm
| Been continuing my search - what are your thoughts on the RS vision - looks like it does it all - big and stable enough for family, but added safety of outboard option for cruising, and a bit of performance for sailing with mates, gennaker, trapeze options. Does anyone have any experience of this boat - looks like it might be a bit more fun (especially for me!) than the wayfarer type option. |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 25 May 05 at 12:15pm
yer i teach people how to sail in the vision and they are stable but not as stable as the 2000 and the 2000 fits all your needs!! the 2000 is much faster than the vision and you could fit the trapeze option on to the 2000!! it really depends if u want to sail with the association or if you just want fun or club raceing!! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 25 May 05 at 2:06pm
| I don't think there is much difference in room withina GP14 and a Laser 2000. Being heavier the GP is less responsive and will feel more stable - but that is about the only advantage of weight. Foresail sheet loads are high in the GP and its a bitch to pull up the ramp or beach. The spinnaker is complex compared with the asymmetric of the 2000. Don't buy a wooden GP unless you love maintenance, but an old glass GP will be much cheaper than a 2000. For me it would have to be a 2000 every time but there may be some special quality in the GP which suits you and makes the difference (for instance it may be what they sail at your local club). I suspect a GP will be faster in drifting conditions, in all other conditions the 2000 will thrash it but if you're going to sail with novice wife and a todler this is hardly a consideration. |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 25 Jul 05 at 8:29pm
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an rs vision could be good for your family. as a teenager me n my friends hav decided that its a crusing boat and that we could fit 6 of us in it with the cockpit bags full of food n drinks. so for a family its really stable n there is so much leg room! http://www.rssailing.com - www.rssailing.com ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 12:11pm
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GP14 all the way. Some lovely boats for sale, n wooden ones are easier
to mend than plastic ones... also bags of room, spinny isn't that hard,
n they are nice racing as well, n u don't need a new boat for racing
either.
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: target
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 12:31pm
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i think it depends on WHERE you want to sail ------------- what goes around comes around |
Posted By: DiverSteve
Date Posted: 12 Jan 07 at 12:39pm
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Posted By: DiverSteve
Date Posted: 12 Jan 07 at 12:46pm
| The pn is lower for the Vision than for the 2000 and other reports indicate that it is faster as would be indicated by this. I am surprised that you state the 2000 to be faster. I had more or less convinced myself in favour of the Vision on the basis of about equal speed with perhaps the vision having the edge, equal stability, but with the facility to use an outboard which would be an advantage for cruising. I also liked the reverse vang which looks to offer more space for the crew. RS claim that the fully rigged sailing weight is only about 4Kgs heavier than the 2000. Finally there is a cost advantage. I would welcome comments. I did also consider a xenon. |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 12 Jan 07 at 7:56pm
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How heavy are you? I've seen light people struggle to right an inverted 2000 (and 2000's love to invert, just like most modern boats - they all have too much buoyancy, probably to satisfy stupid regulations or to make them cheap to build with simple deck mouldings). I hate to think how much worse the situation would be you're the only adult with small children floating about in the water. With a Wayfarer, it's less likely to capsize in the first place and, so long as it doesn't have a double bottom, it will lay on its side till you right it (and my puny 10 stone suffices for that). OK, it will then take ages to bail - starting with a bucket - but if you're not racing hard, who cares? You'll be in control. I suspect a GP would be similar unless the newer ones have buoyancy arrangements that make them invert. |