49er or 800?

   come on guys, the thread is 49er or 800 and ALL you ever seem to talk
about is cherubs. I realise that given a choice of any 2 boats i would
pick the cherub whatever but lets try and stay focussed on the task in
hand. OR post into the CHERUB thread! that way we can say what we want
and not get told off!  

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timnoyce Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Aug 04 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991	Post Options Post Reply Quote timnoyce Report Post Quote Reply Topic: 49er or 800? Posted: 23 May 05 at 11:27am
	come on guys, the thread is 49er or 800 and ALL you ever seem to talk about is cherubs. I realise that given a choice of any 2 boats i would pick the cherub whatever but lets try and stay focussed on the task in hand. OR post into the CHERUB thread! that way we can say what we want and not get told off!
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timnoyce Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Aug 04 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991	Post Options Post Reply Quote timnoyce Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 11:41am
	As far as choice of boats go they are really quite different. I've sailed a 49er but not an 800 but i thought that the 49er was an awesome machine. I only sailed it in relatively light wind but the speed is just awesome. The amount of effort required to sail it was quite unbelievable though, getting that last 3 inches on the main and then playing the MONSTER kite was very rewarding but i was truely knackered afterwards. I think if you are prepared to really dedicate time to sailing it with a steady crew then the 49er is the one, but otherwise then go for an 800. Remember to look at the social scene too because u spend as much time off the water as you do on it at events! I sailed a B14 for the first time this weekend and there was lots of mast related carnage but those B14 sailors really know how to have a good time. The drinking was more hardcore than the BUSA fleet racing in weymouth last year, ROCK ON!
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Guest Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guest Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 2:47pm
	Completly different animals. 49er = proper skiff 800 = dumbed down skiff for the average sailor I have owned a 800 and sailed 49er; I'd go 49er evrytime - it's well designed and works; the 800 is too much of a comprimise amd I'd say higher sheet loads than the 49er ... Saying that the 800 does open up skiff "type" sailing for those who coudn't handle a 49er; the 49er definatly would not be an option form me and the wife with an all up weight of 21st but we did enjoy the 800 for a year. Depends on what you want and who you have as a crew. Rick

49erGBR735HSC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991	Post Options Post Reply Quote 49erGBR735HSC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 3:02pm
	I'd have to say read the comparision because it pretty much sums up the choice you've got. The 49er is the out and out racing machine but remember the 800 isn't too far off it and for learning to sail a skiff coming from a Fireball, the 800 would be a great boat. You could go straight into the 49er and love it. They are two brilliant boats and you'll have fun with both of them...... (buy a 49er )
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lemeouttahere Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 31 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 94	Post Options Post Reply Quote lemeouttahere Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 05 at 2:56pm
	thanks for all the views. i think i'll be going for the 800 till i get some experiance, and money!!! cheers all

carshalton fc Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 26 Jan 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 2337	Post Options Post Reply Quote carshalton fc Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 05 at 10:53am
	yer hope it goes well!!
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Blobby Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779	Post Options Post Reply Quote Blobby Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 05 at 6:49am
	Just an aside - you can get sport sails for the 49er to enable you to sail with a lighter crew weight - down to about 130kg I think and this might give you a mroe gentle ( ) introduction to the boat if you wanted to go that way...

andy_cherub Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 768	Post Options Post Reply Quote andy_cherub Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 05 at 11:19am
	I have just sold my 49er on the basis of going back to cherubs (wont start that now!) But in the 9er you simply 'play' the power. Very tuneable rig, im 12st and my crew is 11 - we held it in a heavy breeze, foooooookin flew!!! When I got the 9er i was lookin at an 800, but decided against it as its just a step up boat into the 9er! But since sailing the 9er i have reasiled that it really is quite easy to sail! Its very stable, and you can actaully wire to wire gybe with the kite up! Im comparing it to the cherub, but its really not overly challenging to begin with. Id say get a 9er!!
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49erGBR735HSC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991	Post Options Post Reply Quote 49erGBR735HSC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 05 at 12:44pm
	130kg is a little light for the 9er but saying that my crew and I are in the 140-150kg range and we were told we were too heavy to sail an 800 competitively. The key to the 9er is she does have a lot of power in the rig but you've just got to know how to control it. If you know about how to set up your rigs, forget about the 800 and go straight for the niner. The niner is also a boat that you'll never reach a point and wished you'd bought a higher performance boat. I've also been able to sail with 19 stone all up on the boat in a bit of a breeze, and since we both knew what we were doing, we didn't have any hassle, we didn't even swim
	Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 Helensburgh S.C Boat Insurance from Noble Marine

Hector Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hector Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 05 at 1:30pm
	Yeh, them 800s are really easy to sail. Until something goes wrong. Still go for the 49er if you can afford it (remember high maintenance and insurance)and you can get a committed crew.