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    Posted: 01 Apr 05 at 9:16pm

Originally posted by JimC

  

the L2 is basically a smoothed and lengthened version of the Hush Puppy Cherub design that Nicola and Julian won the '76 Cherub worlds with, 

Well I'm chuffed then.  Always wanted a cherub and now I find I've got one ... sort of. 

But it does look more like a fat laser 1.

 

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I've got a 3000 sitting out in my back Garden just now and being an earlier model, she has a Laser 2 ID plate with a 3000 sail number. Don't worry the boats not dodgy, but it sounds and looks like Laser are using the same moulds. Could annoy them by phoning and asking, and not buying anything
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I am pretty sure that the 3000 is based a Laser II hull with a new deck mold.

Before they brought out the 3000 there was a Laser II with a bolted on spiniker pole, the fun mast with the normal spreaders rather than the dimends of the regatta and trapizes.

 

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Originally posted by bISOtted

the laser 2 and the 3000 hulls are not even close to the same


Check the L3000 website.

The 3000 was launched in 1996 and is essentially an evolution of the popular Laser II, brought up-to-date with an asymmetric spinnaker, modern sail plan, improved cockpit, and single piece tapered mast. The hull form was developed by Australian designer Frank Bethwaite...


It really is suprisingly difficult to evaluate different hull shapes without having the boats side by side and some practise.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bISOtted Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Mar 05 at 8:50pm

the laser 2 and the 3000 hulls are not even close to the same the 3000 is self draining and has a much harder chine and less rocker where as the two isnt self draining and has a very round chine and more rocker
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Originally posted by NickA

Is it really based on a Cherub? The L2 L3k bottom is rounded & chine free

Read it here on the Laser 2 web site.... I assume they know!

I'm not saying that you're wrong in thinking its just like a Laser, but evaluating underwater hull shape is suprisingly difficult if its not something you do regularly. From memory, and I haven't really looked at one properly, the L2 certainly has a firmer turn of bilge and more vertical topsides.

There's a few words from Nicola Bethwaite about her Cherub career here.

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The laser II and laser 3000 have the same hull.  But the 3k has a totally different deck and sails. 

Upside down (a common view), my laser II and laser I look just the same.  The laser II is just longer, fatter (and heavier). 

Is it really based on a Cherub? The L2 L3k bottom is rounded & chine free  -  and specially designed to shoot water in the face of any crew that isn't trapezing, which is a great incentive to get out on the wire.. but I digress..

 

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Is it just me or are the Laser II and byte hull almost identical in shape?

 

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From what I can remember, there were three phases of the Laser 2. The original Laser 2, the Laser 2 Reggatta and the Laser Fun. As fore-mentioned, the fun was a 2 with an assymetric probably with a slightly different main and jib. The original 2 was the early version with one piece mast and spinnaker bags, and the reggatta was a development with a two-piece mast and spinnaker chute. As for the Laser 2 World, it was just a design type, like the Techno and Accent (I think). I think the worlds had blue annodised spars, nicer ropes, gorrilla tiller, etc, just extras to make her look nicer.There are probably second and third versions of the Worlds boats now that don't even have these characteristics knowing Laser.  All Laser 2's (with the exception of the Fun) have to meet strict one design specification, so appart from looking nicer than each other, they have to be the same non-aesthetically. Still love Laser 2s now even although its been ages since I sailed one.

 

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Originally posted by carshalton fc

but the laser 2 has a very similar hull to a laser


I must get round to turning one over and having a good look. The L2 looks superficially very similar to a Laser but I'm not sure how much of that is deck layout/interior/topside height. Its suprisingly difficult to "zoom in" your eye and ignore the above water stuff. Frank Bethwaite has claimed that the L2 is basically a smoothed and lengthened version of the Hush Puppy Cherub design that Nicola and Julian won the '76 Cherub worlds with, and that original certainly looked very little like a Laser.

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