laser 2
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Topic: laser 2
Posted By: pro wannabe
Subject: laser 2
Date Posted: 30 Mar 05 at 9:28pm
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my instructer has got a regatta, and my uncle has got a fun but ive seen a fun with traps, and on a weekend getaway to a lake i saw a fun with traps and a aysemmetric? and what on earth is a laser 2 world? ------------- Your spinni aint as big as your mouth! |
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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 30 Mar 05 at 9:56pm
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I've got a laser 2 fun with trapeze wires (thought they all did) - totally essential if you want to single hand in a breeze. No spinnaker tho. Someone at our club has a laser 2 fun "new wave" with a strange "bolt on" asymetric. The laser 2 regatta is the only one you can get new now - symetric kite and trapeze. Not a clue what a laser 2 2world" would be - probably a graphics job, like the laser 2 graffiti (which is a regatta with a paint job). Do I know a bit too much about laser 2s????? Sad. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 30 Mar 05 at 11:00pm
That's a Laser 3000 isn't it (or more or less!) |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 31 Mar 05 at 9:02am
but the laser 2 has a very similar hull to a laser so if they both had the same rig the laser 2 would probily win! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 31 Mar 05 at 9:12am
I must get round to turning one over and having a good look. The L2 looks superficially very similar to a Laser but I'm not sure how much of that is deck layout/interior/topside height. Its suprisingly difficult to "zoom in" your eye and ignore the above water stuff. Frank Bethwaite has claimed that the L2 is basically a smoothed and lengthened version of the Hush Puppy Cherub design that Nicola and Julian won the '76 Cherub worlds with, and that original certainly looked very little like a Laser. |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 31 Mar 05 at 10:44am
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From what I can remember, there were three phases of the Laser 2. The original Laser 2, the Laser 2 Reggatta and the Laser Fun. As fore-mentioned, the fun was a 2 with an assymetric probably with a slightly different main and jib. The original 2 was the early version with one piece mast and spinnaker bags, and the reggatta was a development with a two-piece mast and spinnaker chute. As for the Laser 2 World, it was just a design type, like the Techno and Accent (I think). I think the worlds had blue annodised spars, nicer ropes, gorrilla tiller, etc, just extras to make her look nicer.There are probably second and third versions of the Worlds boats now that don't even have these characteristics knowing Laser. All Laser 2's (with the exception of the Fun) have to meet strict one design specification, so appart from looking nicer than each other, they have to be the same non-aesthetically. Still love Laser 2s now even although its been ages since I sailed one.
------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: DannySimpson
Date Posted: 31 Mar 05 at 11:33am
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Is it just me or are the Laser II and byte hull almost identical in shape?
------------- OmegaPiZeta |
Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 31 Mar 05 at 1:30pm
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The laser II and laser 3000 have the same hull. But the 3k has a totally different deck and sails. Upside down (a common view), my laser II and laser I look just the same. The laser II is just longer, fatter (and heavier). Is it really based on a Cherub? The L2 L3k bottom is rounded & chine free - and specially designed to shoot water in the face of any crew that isn't trapezing, which is a great incentive to get out on the wire.. but I digress..
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 31 Mar 05 at 1:59pm
http://www.laser2sailing.org/class/history/21today2.php - Read it here on the Laser 2 web site... . I assume they know! I'm not saying that you're wrong in thinking its just like a Laser, but evaluating underwater hull shape is suprisingly difficult if its not something you do regularly. From memory, and I haven't really looked at one properly, the L2 certainly has a firmer turn of bilge and more vertical topsides. There's a few words from Nicola Bethwaite about http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/nickybe.htm - her Cherub career here . |
Posted By: bISOtted
Date Posted: 31 Mar 05 at 8:50pm
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the laser 2 and the 3000 hulls are not even close to the same the 3000 is self draining and has a much harder chine and less rocker where as the two isnt self draining and has a very round chine and more rocker |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 31 Mar 05 at 11:41pm
http://laser3000.lasersailing.com/forum/homepage.asp - Check the L3000 website .
It really is suprisingly difficult to evaluate different hull shapes without having the boats side by side and some practise. |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 01 Apr 05 at 1:14pm
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I am pretty sure that the 3000 is based a Laser II hull with a new deck mold. Before they brought out the 3000 there was a Laser II with a bolted on spiniker pole, the fun mast with the normal spreaders rather than the dimends of the regatta and trapizes.
------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 01 Apr 05 at 8:15pm
I've got a 3000 sitting out in my back Garden just now and being an
earlier model, she has a Laser 2 ID plate with a 3000 sail number.
Don't worry the boats not dodgy, but it sounds and looks like Laser are
using the same moulds. Could annoy them by phoning and asking, and not
buying anything
------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 01 Apr 05 at 9:16pm
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Well I'm chuffed then. Always wanted a cherub and now I find I've got one ... sort of. But it does look more like a fat laser 1.
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