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 Topic: Tough - I thinkPosted: 13 Feb 08 at 6:06pm |
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While they're doing their turns they have no rights and are bound not to
impede anyone elses progress. Anticipation is the key here, spot what might happen and shout at them to bugger off away from you before it does. Shout at them before, during and after.. Doesn't do any harm to unsettle them. Certainly shout at them for what they did to you, given, theoretically they aint racing you if its a fast/slow handicap thing. Whatever shout at them anyway. |
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Garry
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Posted: 13 Feb 08 at 6:10pm |
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Interseting strategy, I suggest you don't try that regularly otherwise you could find yourself protested under rule 2. Edited by Garry |
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MRJP BUZZ 585
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Lukepiewalker
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Posted: 13 Feb 08 at 7:49pm |
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Presumably you were going to have to pass them at some point anyway?
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Posted: 13 Feb 08 at 7:57pm |
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OK let's say it politely like the gentlemen sailors we all are. Substitute the word "Hail" for "shout at"  .
No good is served by sitting there wincing or grimacing or playing the rabbit in the headlights if you are at all serious about racing. Some of our lot are cautious like that, you can hail "port!" and they'll tack off.
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Garry
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Posted: 13 Feb 08 at 8:58pm |
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GRF Not funny, especially if you're new to racing and a definate protest if you ever meet me on the water and try it (and you can't exonerate yourself with turns)... Everyone who sails at your club should take note! Also your sailing committee could take action under rule 69 on the basis of your post! I spend a lot of my time trying to get those who have just started sailing into racing it only takes one incident like that to put them off sailing for life. |
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Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 9:12am |
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GRF, "keep clear" is a different concept from not impeding progress. His only duty under the rules is to keep clear. All this means is you don't have to alter course to avoid a collision. He doesn't have to make your life comfortable for you. Second point is that whether you are in the same race or not makes no difference, the exact same rules apply. Boats that are racing are governed by the racing rules. Whatever way you look at it, no recourse to the rules here. There might be a matter of courtesy if the two boats are in different races, but then again it's a competetive sport, why should he ruin his race to help you uot with yours. In my view, the only courtesy that is due to other competitors is strict observation of the rules. That and not swearing! |
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Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 11:25am |
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Well, if either you or Gary, decide to tack and head up into penalty turns whilst you're in front of me, you are most certainly going to be hailed. At that point you have no rights anyway and no idea what my course is or is not. I could be maneuvering to avoid colliding with a boat I'm about to overtake. I could just be sailing higher myself to gain speed as Assym boats do. At that point your job is to get out of everyones way, the fact you are doing turns at all means your are exonerating yourself from a previous misdemeanor. You can quote all the rules you like in the comfort of your armchair in front of a keyboard, but on the water, especially if its a bit breezy and we've got three sails up (Not that the incident we are talking about occurred under those conditions), keeping clear means keeping well clear to avoid danger & damage, which is one of the principles for sailing rules in the first place. As to the "hailing port" that's a joke, I know you lot struggle with humour, there not being a Rule: "If a helmsman states something that appears on the face of it to be illogical, break into spontaneous laughter", but anyway you can rest assured, should the day ever dawn and we do meet on the water, I shall be sailing to the very letter of the racing rules, always have always will. Its just the interpretation that can sometimes be cloudy but lets just leave it at this, I've never lost a protest yet .Edited by G.R.F |
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Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 11:53am |
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As I understand it the 'keep clear' boat does not have to anticipate where a 'right of way' boat might be at some indeterminate point in the future (other than a straight projection of their existing course). The RoW boat cannot alter course without giving the keep clear boat time and opportunity to do just that. If you are approaching a boat doing turns then the fastest route to the next mark (and therefore your 'proper course') is to keep well away, due to the wind & water disturbance caused by rapid tacks & gybes. Bawling at a boat doing turns is likey to produce an unexpected result. How will you predict which way she'll go to get out of your way? Unreasonable hails do our sport no good at all, and can cause a lot of resentment. (Spoken with feeling as someone who was on the wrong end of one whilst in an abnormally high position in a championship race. I did my turns - unnecessarily as it turned out, but I didn't know it at the time. Sore? Me? You bet!) |
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Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 12:10pm |
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Agreed that the boat doing turns has to get out of the way, but as Noah says, he does NOT have to get out of the way of what you might do in the future. He also does not have to consider what he might or might not do to your precious wind. Keeping clear air to go fast is entirely your problem. It's not a question of sitting in an armchair quoting rules, GRF, these are the rules in the book, and therefore the rules I do my utmost to sail to, every weekend of the season. Not keen on changing the rules just cos a loudmouth in a boat he doesn't seem to like very much sails into my dirty air. |
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