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    Posted: 05 Feb 08 at 6:44pm
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Originally posted by Hector

Yep, it was! Big credit to the rescue teams and all organisation. Who were those nutters in Bermuda shorts?



Wills and Dave from BLYM ...

Yes, they did have shorties on under the boardies, but its a tradition for those guys to sail the winter in shorts + tshirt!

Hell yes! Shortie the first day, but went borrowed full wetsuit for the second as sialing a friends 4k instead... and you know what... the shortie wasnt all that cold! Did the job well enough, it can help hiking when your legs are numb

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Comedy sight on the water of the weekend: the RS200 being sailed three up today.


that my sir was  Prometheus and his helm and my crew

Not quite! My helm, his crew and other friend who broke his rudder! Helm wasnt too happy when i deserted him for a 4000... but then he WAS trying to force me to sail 3 up, 4k was... wet 

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Hi Hector

How are the fingers and toes feeling now. Monday was agony cycling to work but today much better. Not sure if we're getting to old for those sort of temperatures and waiting around for the next race. See you soon. Got flattened on Sunday on the reach across the far shore and planted on the run by one hell of a gust but no rudder cavitation, just extreme force. Hoo Freezer is the next excursion and at least there will not be so much waiting and hopefully more consistent breeze. Bye for now

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Originally posted by BarnsieB14768

Hi Hector

How are the fingers and toes feeling now. Just about come around - maybe I should have worn gloves! 

Not sure if we're getting to old for those sort of temperatures and waiting around for the next race. Yes it was a long wait and I'm not sure why. Too old - speak for yourself - I'm sailing a 'youf' class remember! But if I can't move my fingers properly soon I might have to consider possibility of arthritis

Bye for now  Good Luck at the Hoo Freezer

Originally posted by Skiffman

as for the rudder stalling out it is a very fine line, keeping it flat does stop it from happening but if you push the stick and sail it with the leeward back gunwhale just in the water it goes faster and lower. Then you run the risk of the rudder stalling, it happened to alain and I quite a few times on sunday but somehow alain knew when it was happening before i had said anything and flogged the kite once... if that didnt work then just dump the main out to the shroud. The only issue then is snapping the mast as 2 29ers did on sunday and it was not a coinsidence that the 2 29ers that broke there masts were the 2 29ers that had the main flogging on the reaches...

Thanks for the advice - and that from Chris & Sten & others. I'm learning the 29er and had thought that in some conditions, it seemed quick sailing it on its chine (bit like railing a board). But on Sunday, just like a board it was prone to 'spin out' (Where skeg/foil loses flow and so control) - especially if we bounced out sideways over a wave. It certainly didn't help that we were trying to carry a kite on a leg that hardly any other boat was -  and the boats coming the opposite direction on a collision course certainly made it interesting.

I was worried about sheeting out the main as I've seen photos of 29er masts hugely inverted (and that one of a 49er) and so I'm not suprised a couple broke. Sanme applies to flogging the kite too much as the sudden loads could also snap a mast. As its a temporary reduction of speed we're after I guess in future I'll try the oversheet kite method before main out or flog - if I ever have to tight reach in a F6 again! Let's hope so

G.R.F. Thanks for so graphically reminding me of what happens when spinning out a Mistral SST with a stupidly big rig on and then catching the rail. Cheaper than a health clinic!



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The one of the 49er was because a cap shroud snapped, not because the main was sheeted out, although sheeting it in probably does help!

The mast should be fine with flogging as long as you don't let it flog more than a few times, once should be enough to get the rudder back, and then oversheet it and let it out again.

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And I thought it was just me that had trouble with 29er foils letting go. Racing round the cans on a river we often have some tight reaches to contend with and it’s a not an uncommon problem when the wind is up. I also find that some heal is good as there also comes a point when the foils start to generate some lift and you can climb to windward.

 

I find that if the boats well trimmed you get a couple of seconds from the rudder loosing bite before things get scary so I normally warn the crew then try and flatten the boat gently while wiggling the tiller from side to side. Not sure how this came about, probably developed from a panic reaction but it seems to work for us. Lost the crew through the jib the first time it happened but we have managed to save it every time since

 

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Winggling the rudder is like appling the handbrake on and off really quikcly, not good for boat speed, up wind to keep the boat flat and get the rudder back you should be playing the main and heading up and bearing away when you see the gusts.

It does seem to go quicker with a bit of heel, but it doesn't i don't think, and if it did its pretty small and it doesn't make up for the fact you don't have much control/ the chance of loosing control totally and havign to slow down.

Downwind its just simply trying to get the boat flat, oversheet spinnaker or 1 flog.

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