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    Posted: 13 Feb 22 at 4:24pm
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Originally posted by A2Z

[QUOTE=Sam.Spoons]By 2030, running an ICE vehicle will be viewed like smoking or not recycling is now.

My van can run on veg oil.

This could well be the future for load lugging.
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Everything seems like a agenda that doesn't benefit the majority of the population, sensible people who can read and Google expert opinions tend to agree, battery cars aren't going to work, yet the original date of 2040 for sales of new ICE cars to end was shortened to 2030,why? There appears to be no extensive projections for the future of personal transport or impact on leisure and tourism. We have bicycles and motorbikes, battery motorcycles seem to be very efficient, perhaps motorbike and sidecar combinations you can tow with a bike and sidecar, get wet to.

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I quite like that idea of using them for spare grid capacity, 100s of batterys linked to share the load with the National Grid, we need to encourage more houses to generate electricty via sola and or wind using vertical access machines that don't mind sharp direction changes and home batterys could also contribute in the future.

Gordon Brown didn'tdo much right but he was a hell of a lot more encouraging than this curent lot of clowns are.
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I think at the moment we're putting the cart before the horse.

Right now our electricity demands cannot be met by renewable energy, which is all running at full capacity and likely to do so for a good few years yet.

So any additional load we place on the grid can only be met by fossil fuels, which means imported gas. So I see no environmental benefit to moving to EVs right now, all we're doing is driving the price up even further, to use a fuel that is in reality more expensive than burning petrol or diesel at the point of use.

The only reason electric vehicles appear cheaper to fuel is because of the tax on petrol or diesel effectively subsidising them, which is something that clearly can't persist should there be a mass change in favour of them.

For there to be any environmental benefit we need to first get to a stage where our electricity generate has spare "green" capacity, which is unlikely to be in the next 5 years. Maybe we should use that time to consider EV's as prototypes to develop the tech for when the infrastructure finally reaches a stage it can support them
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I wouldn't take it for granted that affordable motoring for the masses is here to stay. The world may change much faster than you think.
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It would reasonable expect a drift of use and as said closure of fossil fuel outlets.

I do also foresee (or should I say cannot see how not) an end to in my mind at least the "fools paradise" of cheap EV running costs. That lost revenue from fuel will soon have to be replaced from somewhere.   
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I'm not overly pessimistic, by 2030 used EVs may have become sufficiently affordable for 'ordinary people' to buy them but those older EV's still won't have the range to cope with towing so ICE cars will still be around. Unless public transport becomes much more user friendly people will still need cars and many will have at least two in the family, if one is a small EV, then  CAZ charges are not a problem for local journeys and CAZ charges look likely to be affordable where a petrol or diesel car or camper is the only option for a longer journey. 
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

The thing is that the ban won't be on owning or running ICE cars but on selling new ones, and that won't be until 2030 at the earliest so diesel and petrol cars will still be available and relatively commonplace for at least 10-20 years after that, i.e. 2050 or later (by which time, if I'm still around, I'll be 97). What will have a bigger impact on ICE vehicle use will be the availability and cost of petrol and diesel fuel.
That is partly true, but…
An increasing number of urban areas are already or will ban or punitively charge ICE vehicles via Clean Air Zones.  Bristol, for example, had proposed a £100 fee to enter in a Euro5 diesel.  The charge has now been lowered somewhat, but it applies 24/7.  How long before they extend that to Euro6 vehicles, then 1st generation EV’s?  So who dares buy a new ICE vehicle in Bristol?  Not me!
This will feed into a culture where driving ICE is seen as being socially unacceptable, the market will decline, fuel forecourts will close, petrol prices will rise, fewer mechanics will be around to service them and almost certainly there will be further tax disadvantages to running ICE. By 2030, running an ICE vehicle will be viewed like smoking or not recycling is now.
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