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    Posted: 21 Dec 19 at 2:51pm
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Maybe an IC with outriggers?

There is an AYRS boat with a sliding seat with an outrigger at the end of each seat when the seat is fully extended the leeward outrigger tucks into the hull. 
The ICs only issue is how uncomfortable it is in light wind. I suppose with development IC you could prioritise light wind comfort. 


That's the concept. Like a Proa you don't have to end for end to tack.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I'm 66 and sailing the Blaze and Spice, I may well buy a Solo when I find my current boats too much. Also on the short list would be the H2 and OK (which I sailed in my youth) budget permitting. The H2 was, I believe, designed with the 80%ers in mind and is probably the nearest thing to the ideal old guys boat. It has a deep cockpit and floats with the centreboard at water level when capsized, on paper at least all it lacks is a reduced rig.

I knew the H2 would come up and it is a gorgeous boat but personally a bit of big boat with a big sail area for my image of an 80%. 
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well Tink, I examined this issue in some detail a while back..... cast your eye over https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/188538/Silver-Dream-Racer

Dinghy sailing is quite remarkable in the fact that it can be one of the most 'un-ageist' of participation sports. Before posting, I reread my article and with another 3 years now 'on the clock' I'd not change much.....in terms of single handers recoverability out afloat I would say was now the must crucial aspect - that and ease of moving about on shore. I can still hike, waggle a tiller and pull in the mainsheet, so performance sailing is still possible IF.... you can get someone fit and nimble to do the leaping around in the front of the boat.
Still in reflective mode - it is sad that out of  the three boats I name checked as being better for the older sailor, the Alto, Icon and H2, only the singlehander is a going concern. I was RO for their Nationals again this year (second year in a row.....a nice class that are a joy to manage) and even in the difficult going, they were still recoverable by 'older' sailors - as in older than me and I'm old!
Bottom line - chose the right boat/boat+crew and there is not a lot to stop you sailing on into the 70s!

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Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by tink


Originally posted by Rupert

Maybe an IC with outriggers?

There is an AYRS boat with a sliding seat with an outrigger at the end of each seat when the seat is fully extended the leeward outrigger tucks into the hull. 
The ICs only issue is how uncomfortable it is in light wind. I suppose with development IC you could prioritise light wind comfort. 


That's the concept. Like a Proa you don't have to end for end to tack.

Remembered call, called a Quill

Having built 3 Proas I think a tacking proa has a lot of mileage. Bolger-esk dirty sketch, I doubt they would let me race it though.


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Originally posted by tink

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I'm 66 and sailing the Blaze and Spice, I may well buy a Solo when I find my current boats too much. Also on the short list would be the H2 and OK (which I sailed in my youth) budget permitting. The H2 was, I believe, designed with the 80%ers in mind and is probably the nearest thing to the ideal old guys boat. It has a deep cockpit and floats with the centreboard at water level when capsized, on paper at least all it lacks is a reduced rig.

I knew the H2 would come up and it is a gorgeous boat but personally a bit of big boat with a big sail area for my image of an 80%. 

It's light enough and 14' is not too long IMHO but I agree about the size of the rig (hence my 'reduced rig' comment). It is wide too which is a mixed blessing, and doesn't have a reputation for being quick in the light* (though it should be pretty comfortable). For me the downside is that even the oldest used boats are only a few years old and holding their value pretty well.

An H2lite with around 8m2 could be very attractive proposition but, given the lack of success of the (superb) Fire rig in the Blaze class I doubt they'll want to tread that path. And, I guess, the Fire rig is not popular 'cos the Blaze rig is just so manageable in a breeze so maybe the H2 rig is similar?

When I'm older I'd guess a boat that excels in F2 would be more suitable than one that comes into it's own in F5+ as I will be more likely to stay in the bar when it really blows.

* Which surprises me given the amount of Merlin Rocket in it's DNA, maybe I'm wrong about that though.


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I do understand it's rude to shout on the internet but for effect please forgive me in this case, a TWO PERSON boat. A team of two of any degree of fitness will exceed the sum of the individuals.

One to pull it up and one in water to stabilise and then one in to help the other aboard.  Plus, one to remember the course while the other drives the boat. LOL Wink

A single trapeze boat is also good, one to lounge on the wire while the other perches comfortably; works for us. Smile 

 
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Good topic. (I enjoyed rereading Dougal's piece from 2016.) This has been discussed in a previous thread but I feel that if you cannot recover your boat and get back in after a capsize you should change to one you can manage or not go out in conditions where the rescue boat is likely to be in demand.  

I would love to get a H2 but I suspect my Solo would be as fast in a drifter and less of a handful in a blow and I would lose class racing.  I really hope the H2 class continues to thrive and grow but with almost new 100 Solos being registered every year and high resale values, it looks a more reliable investment for my tapering stage of sailing.
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As I'm responsible for our fleet of club Lasers and our older demographic don't like sailing them. I've just taken an old mainsail and shortened the leach by 37cm. This means the boom will be horizontal when  the mast is bent to the old block to block position with the traveller block on the gunwale. I'll see how it goes this year.

I have also moved the traveller 9" forward to remove the mainsheet around the stern thing. Works well.

There are other simple adaptions I can make to make the Laser easier for us older sailors for almost zero cost

I see no reason not to adapt boats to make them easier to sail within the club context. I'd rather have them used.
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Originally posted by Do Different

I do understand it's rude to shout on the internet but for effect please forgive me in this case, a TWO PERSON boat. A team of two of any degree of fitness will exceed the sum of the individuals.

One to pull it up and one in water to stabilise and then one in to help the other aboard.  Plus, one to remember the course while the other drives the boat. LOL Wink

A single trapeze boat is also good, one to lounge on the wire while the other perches comfortably; works for us. Smile 

 

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The answer for me is the K1 with a lifting keel.

Still possible to push ashore on the trolley, lifting keel makes it self righting, and the carbon rig is powerful and makes the boat interesting even in lighter winds
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