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    Posted: 27 Feb 17 at 3:27pm
That's a cynical view James.Whilst it is fair to say that the majority are likely to be middle class (whatever that means) with a reasonable disposable income, I spend less on sailing than someone of whom I know spends on just watching football.

Also, there are clubs around - one near here for starters - which make the effort to show 'disadvantaged' kids what dinghy sailing is about. That takes cold, hard cash to provide equipment to appease the 'Elf n Safety brigade with appropriate kit - not loaned or hand-me-downs, in addition to the small army of volunteers who give of their time. No doubt sailing is not unique in this respect, but any incoming grant cash is not only going to support those who arguably don't need it.
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Originally posted by Noah

Given that there is a pot of money there then we as a sailing community should ensure it is spent in support and furtherance of our sport.

pragmatic approach - on the basis the Government are going to waste it on something, it might as well be wasted on a sport for the relatively privileged.  
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It's not about entitlement, but if UK plc wants to encourage an active lifestyle, for general public health and/or pathways to medals reasons then the gov't is handing out our taxes to NGO's such as RYA, FA, RFU, UK Athletics, Cycling, and others (incl dance for all I know). Given that there is a pot of money there then we as a sailing community should ensure it is spent in support and furtherance of our sport.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 17 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by RS400atC

 
Why are we entitled to handouts for training boats?
Why should we expect other people to subsidise our facilities?

what's good enough for Ben, is good enough for all???

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-approves-75-million-for-sir-ben-ainslie-project-to-boost-portsmouth




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Originally posted by Eisvogel

If dinghy sailing becomes even more of a minority sport it will be very hard to get grants (eg for training boats or facility upgrades), and everything will become more expensive (as economies of scale disappear). .....

Why are we entitled to handouts for training boats?
Why should we expect other people to subsidise our facilities?
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Originally posted by Eisvogel

If dinghy sailing becomes even more of a minority sport it will be very hard to get grants (eg for training boats or facility upgrades), and everything will become more expensive (as economies of scale disappear). Surely that has to be a bad thing for everybody.

Making sailing appealing to all is important if we want to be able to continue sailing in the future. Obviously not everybody will end up as a regular sailor, and that is not the point.

Just look at the Netherlands or Germany in terms of their cycling infrastructure. Many people there bike, and as a consequence you have an excellent network of cycle paths. But few people cycle competitively. Now compare that to the cycle infrastructure we have (not) in the UK. It's never going to change, as only a brave minority dares to take a bike on a normal road.

If we aren't careful, sailing will (very long term) end up in a similar situation, with the infrastructure decaying & clubs closing, leaving fewer and fewer opportunities to go on the water.

Poor comparison imho...

Cycling is a green method of transport, reducing congestion as well as emissions in urban areas.  Sure, it's also a nice way to experience some physical recreation at the weekend too, even for those who don't take the ultimate step of turning it into a competitive pursuit.   

Try as I might, I can't really envisage the old canal network facilitating my daily commute by D-Zero.... 
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If dinghy sailing becomes even more of a minority sport it will be very hard to get grants (eg for training boats or facility upgrades), and everything will become more expensive (as economies of scale disappear). Surely that has to be a bad thing for everybody.

Making sailing appealing to all is important if we want to be able to continue sailing in the future. Obviously not everybody will end up as a regular sailor, and that is not the point.

Just look at the Netherlands or Germany in terms of their cycling infrastructure. Many people there bike, and as a consequence you have an excellent network of cycle paths. But few people cycle competitively. Now compare that to the cycle infrastructure we have (not) in the UK. It's never going to change, as only a brave minority dares to take a bike on a normal road.

If we aren't careful, sailing will (very long term) end up in a similar situation, with the infrastructure decaying & clubs closing, leaving fewer and fewer opportunities to go on the water.
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what the report highlights well are the socio-economic changes.... whilst those who currently run the sport continue to ignore those changes and refuse to start formulating plans to counter it, well then the sport will continue to decline.

FWIW - I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.  Consolidation has many perks.... imho, there are too many clubs and too many classes already in the UK and this constant drive to make sailing appeal to all, is frankly, not working.  Sure, there maybe less of a market for those with a commercial agenda, and sure, there would be less 'jobs for the boys' at the RYA if sailing gets ditched from the Olympics, but that old adage about silver linings does rather spring to mind right now.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

It's a pretty depressing outlook but, it's mainly concerned with 'yachting' as opposed to 'dinghy sailing' (and in fact, he refers, briefly, to dinghy sailing as a possible solution).

I would have thoughtt the things the report identifies as causes are more likely to effect the dinghy sailors.

 Most sports have boom periods (dinghies with the DIY building boom in the 60s, windsurfing when it was a new sport) and often decline when something new comes along.

Most sports are now in decline.  (google "sports participation falling") I guess the causes identified in the report are taking their toll right across the sporting sector

 If they have anything going for them they usually settle down to a base level (as dinghy sailing and windsurfing have). One thing is for sure, things will change but I don't see sailing going into terminal decline anytime soon.

According to sport England sailing has been in decline for at least the last 10 years so I'm not really sure what base line you're thinking of. 


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It's a pretty depressing outlook but, it's mainly concerned with 'yachting' as opposed to 'dinghy sailing' (and in fact, he refers, briefly, to dinghy sailing as a possible solution). Most sports have boom periods (dinghies with the DIY building boom in the 60s, windsurfing when it was a new sport) and often decline when something new comes along. If they have anything going for them they usually settle down to a base level (as dinghy sailing and windsurfing have). One thing is for sure, things will change but I don't see sailing going into terminal decline anytime soon.
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