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GML 
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 Topic: Class rules in handicap racing?Posted: 20 Jul 16 at 7:19pm |
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Also 42.2(e)
For more guidance see: http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/R42intMay13-[15083].pdf
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andymck
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42.3(b) |
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zippyRN
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at what point does a 'roll tack' become illegal kinetics ???? |
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JimC
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An ignorance shared, IME by some sailors in a number of classes which have no Oscar rule. |
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iGRF
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Posted: 19 Jul 16 at 9:58pm |
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All very well these semantics, when half the handicap racers don't even respect basic port starboard if it doesn't suit them.
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Rupert
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Posted: 19 Jul 16 at 9:44pm |
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Thank you. Next question, why? Wouldn't class rules (either way) cover this?
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GML
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Posted: 19 Jul 16 at 9:29pm |
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I'm not aware of any rule that prevents the Race Committee for a handicap race displaying Oscar in accordance with RRS Appendix P5, thereby allowing boats of certain classes to pump, rock or ooch in accordance with their class rules, even if not many (any?) do.
Problem is that some sailors in such boats don't seem to know that they are not allowed to pump, rock or ooch when Oscar has not been displayed, even if the windspeed is above the level for their class
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Lukepiewalker
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Posted: 19 Jul 16 at 6:48pm |
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49.1 Competitors shall use no device designed to position their bodies outboard, other than hiking straps and stiffeners worn under the thighs.
Would be the one I think. Rules that modify Rule 42 (ie switch it off) normally require the race committee to actively allow it with a flag signal C.1.1 RULES (1) RRS 42.3 is changed by adding: The Race Committee may signal in accordance with RRS Appendix P5 that pumping, rocking and ooching are permitted after the starting signal, except when the boat’s proper course is close-hauled or above. This changes rules 42.2(a), 42.2(b) and 42.2(c). (2) The Finn Class recommends that race committees apply Rule C.1.1 (1) in winds of 10 knots and above, measured at deck level on a race committee boat at the windward mark. See also A.7.2. (3) In accordance with RRS 43.1(b), the maximum weight for a competitor’s clothing and equipment is increased from 8kg to 10kg. So you wouldn't be able to abandon rule 42 in a handicap race, but you could have the heavier clothing allowance, as I read it. |
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MartinG
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RRS 49 bans trapezes, but 86.1(c) allows class rules to override this.
In general, yardstick numbers take account of the use of trapezes, or any other class-specific equipment, but do not take account of any class-allowed kinetics, as they are generally only allowed in class races. Martin |
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Rupert
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Posted: 19 Jul 16 at 6:03pm |
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Can you point us to the rule where trapezes are banned, please?
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