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    Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 6:53pm
£3000 discount by any chance? Oh but they don't know how much yet..
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Originally posted by Daniel Holman

Brief was a modern rotomould

How are rotomoulds at being left permanently afloat Dan? I'm guessing Osmosis or something equivalent isn't a serious consideration, but how about UV and also keeping antifouling paint stuck to the boat?
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I'll be honest I've no idea or if there is any precedent. Stability wise it would be OK on a mooring. Dare say it has no porosity for osmosis, not sure re uv, suspect mild uv discolouration on strong colours over the course of years, but remember most of these will be institutional boats left outside with no covers year on year out.
I very much doubt whether any paint would stick to a rotomould - no glue does! So I am not sure how it does against marine growth. Somebody must have tried it!!
Could always leave it in and sporadically jet wash any particularly tenacious slime / barnacles off!
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Originally posted by iGRF

£3000 discount by any chance? Oh but they don't know how much yet..

Price was very clearly stated at dinghy show!
£5500 I think inc discount.
£3000 discount wouldn't leave much left ha
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Having sailed Dan's baby, it would be better than most rotoboats for the job. My issue with all of them is in inability to make any mods to fittings or layout to make the boat suit individual needs when cruising. I'd put another row of reef points in the sail if going far from land, but then that would apply to most boats, whatever they are made from.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Having sailed Dan's baby, it would be better than most rotoboats for the job. My issue with all of them is in inability to make any mods to fittings or layout to make the boat suit individual needs when cruising. I'd put another row of reef points in the sail if going far from land, but then that would apply to most boats, whatever they are made from.


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I have to say that when I saw the Hartley 15 at London Boat Show I was really not impressed. I love what they do there, the GRP boats are really smart and the quality is high. I just don't get the same sort of enjoyment out of a plastic boat, just think the whole thing seems a bit naff. I can see the point for sailing schools but as a boat to own it just doesn't do anything for me. They just feel cheap, really cheap, but they aren't actually very cheap to buy. I'm sure Dan has done a wonderful job making it sail well, but the product itself is really not pretty. It also looks a little more tippy and excitable than I would suggest to a family with very young (not even born yet) children!

My money would be on something more like a Laser Stratos, or a stratos keel. They can be picked up in good condition for not a lot of money, certainly a lot less than a Hartley 15, with the added benefit that you could antifoul it. My recommendation would also be Coppercoat antifouling, it is much harder than traditional antifouling paint and that means that if you want to beach the boat it will not just fall off. Great for drying out and picnic adventures. The other advantage is that it protects from osmosis, being an epoxy.
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Originally posted by laser193713

I have to say that when I saw the Hartley 15 at London Boat Show I was really not impressed. I love what they do there, the GRP boats are really smart and the quality is high. I just don't get the same sort of enjoyment out of a plastic boat, just think the whole thing seems a bit naff. I can see the point for sailing schools but as a boat to own it just doesn't do anything for me. They just feel cheap, really cheap, but they aren't actually very cheap to buy. I'm sure Dan has done a wonderful job making it sail well, but the product itself is really not pretty. It also looks a little more tippy and excitable than I would suggest to a family with very young (not even born yet) children!
My money would be on something more like a Laser Stratos, or a stratos keel. They can be picked up in good condition for not a lot of money, certainly a lot less than a Hartley 15, with the added benefit that you could antifoul it. My recommendation would also be Coppercoat antifouling, it is much harder than traditional antifouling paint and that means that if you want to beach the boat it will not just fall off. Great for drying out and picnic adventures. The other advantage is that it protects from osmosis, being an epoxy.


Rotomould isn't for everyone, but has definite advantages, and the boats are typically ~40% cheaper than even polyester equivalents. It's worth noting that most junior sailing is now done in fevas, Teras etc. For the record the h15 is "tuned" to be similarly excitable to the wayfarer, ie not very excitable!! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, but we have generally had favourable feedback regarding sailing, ergonomic and aesthetic qualities to the h15s roto moulded competitors.
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A Stratos Keel fits all OP's requirements apart from weight (350kg?).  It's amazingly stable and sits well on a mooring.  It would definitely need some sort of anti-fouling. 



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Just wondering why the H15 has  reverse sheer?

Just about the first boat I saw with reverse sheer was a Melges 24 and always thought it made a boat look a bit odd. Just wondering if reverse sheer fulfills a particular design brief or whether it is just for a certain type of look?
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