Dinghy Suggestions
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Topic: Dinghy Suggestions
Posted By: damorrison
Subject: Dinghy Suggestions
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 2:25pm
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I appreciate there are a lot of these already, but having not sailed a dingy for about 30 years (I'm 46 now), I need some help narrowing down the field please. We moved to Beaulieu in Hampshire last year, and have access to the Beaulieu River where I'd like to start sailing again with my wife (who's now pregnant) and the kid(s) in a few years. It needs to fit the following requirements that I can think of:
I'd love a Beaulieu Scow just for the history and community perspective, but they're hard to find. However, would something like the GP14 be a good start point or a deep cockpit Phantom? Any and all idea's welcome as I'd like to start looking and the Beaulieu Boat Jumble might turn something up too next month. Many thanks |
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Posted By: Presuming Ed
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 2:33pm
| Wanderer |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 2:45pm
| Yup.. based on your requirements I'd say Wanderer as well. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 2:57pm
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Dunno, I might look away from the racing dinghy derived boats towards a pure cruiser like maybe the Drascombe Dabber. Might be happier left on the water. But yes, of the racing dinghy derived boats the Wanderer or maybe Laser 2000 seem logical choices.
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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 3:09pm
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I would not think a Phantom would be happy with the rig left up on a mooring.
Gp14 and Enterprise worth checking. ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: calum
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 5:00pm
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Or one of the rotomolded boats, plenty around aimed at family sailing, stable and durable. Al the big manufactures have a range of sizes check out RS, Laser and Topper. ------------- Brimstone Phantom 1202 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 5:42pm
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There are a lot of pure cruising Dinghies out there, and I'm certainly not qualified to know good from bad. The Dinghy Cruising Association would have opinions. From the type of boats I am used to, I agree that the Wanderer would be good, as would a GP14, though modern ones appear to be very race oriented and not as strong as older ones, from what I've seen. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 6:19pm
| Another thought is that I shouldn't be altogether surprised if there were potential problems with leaving a boat on a mooring that was intended to be dry sailed. I have a feeling that the choice of resins (assuming GRP) might be different. |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 6:48pm
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Beaulieu - very nice! Hartley 15. Brief was a modern rotomould equivalent to wayfarer. Consequently about 60% of the price and maintenance free.
I have to declare an interest having drawn it. |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 6:50pm
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Video here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMlL3aRu4Y Contact Hartley laminates for a demo. Dan |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 6:53pm
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 6:59pm
How are rotomoulds at being left permanently afloat Dan? I'm guessing Osmosis or something equivalent isn't a serious consideration, but how about UV and also keeping antifouling paint stuck to the boat? |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 7:08pm
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I'll be honest I've no idea or if there is any precedent. Stability wise it would be OK on a mooring. Dare say it has no porosity for osmosis, not sure re uv, suspect mild uv discolouration on strong colours over the course of years, but remember most of these will be institutional boats left outside with no covers year on year out.
I very much doubt whether any paint would stick to a rotomould - no glue does! So I am not sure how it does against marine growth. Somebody must have tried it!! Could always leave it in and sporadically jet wash any particularly tenacious slime / barnacles off! |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 7:09pm
Price was very clearly stated at dinghy show! £5500 I think inc discount. £3000 discount wouldn't leave much left ha |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 7:19pm
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Having sailed Dan's baby, it would be better than most rotoboats for the job. My issue with all of them is in inability to make any mods to fittings or layout to make the boat suit individual needs when cruising. I'd put another row of reef points in the sail if going far from land, but then that would apply to most boats, whatever they are made from. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 10 Mar 16 at 7:20pm
It's an easy job to get done on a crosscut Dacron main. |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 11 Mar 16 at 10:50am
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I have to say that when I saw the Hartley 15 at London Boat Show I was really not impressed. I love what they do there, the GRP boats are really smart and the quality is high. I just don't get the same sort of enjoyment out of a plastic boat, just think the whole thing seems a bit naff. I can see the point for sailing schools but as a boat to own it just doesn't do anything for me. They just feel cheap, really cheap, but they aren't actually very cheap to buy. I'm sure Dan has done a wonderful job making it sail well, but the product itself is really not pretty. It also looks a little more tippy and excitable than I would suggest to a family with very young (not even born yet) children! My money would be on something more like a Laser Stratos, or a stratos keel. They can be picked up in good condition for not a lot of money, certainly a lot less than a Hartley 15, with the added benefit that you could antifoul it. My recommendation would also be Coppercoat antifouling, it is much harder than traditional antifouling paint and that means that if you want to beach the boat it will not just fall off. Great for drying out and picnic adventures. The other advantage is that it protects from osmosis, being an epoxy. |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 11 Mar 16 at 11:47am
Rotomould isn't for everyone, but has definite advantages, and the boats are typically ~40% cheaper than even polyester equivalents. It's worth noting that most junior sailing is now done in fevas, Teras etc. For the record the h15 is "tuned" to be similarly excitable to the wayfarer, ie not very excitable!! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, but we have generally had favourable feedback regarding sailing, ergonomic and aesthetic qualities to the h15s roto moulded competitors. |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 11 Mar 16 at 12:43pm
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A Stratos Keel fits all OP's requirements apart from weight (350kg?). It's amazingly stable and sits well on a mooring. It would definitely need some sort of anti-fouling.
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Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 11 Mar 16 at 7:59pm
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Just wondering why the H15 has reverse sheer? Just about the first boat I saw with reverse sheer was a Melges 24 and always thought it made a boat look a bit odd. Just wondering if reverse sheer fulfills a particular design brief or whether it is just for a certain type of look? |
Posted By: NeilB-Phantom
Date Posted: 12 Mar 16 at 4:51am
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A bit long and a bit heavy (but easy enough to pull up a slip with a break back trailer) fills alll the trest of the brief perfectly - Devon yawl
------------- Phantom 1384 Dazcat D995 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 12 Mar 16 at 7:23am
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Or smaller but very good on a mooring, the Yachting World Dayboat. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 12 Mar 16 at 11:59am
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There is of course a local boat built by Claridge. The Lymington Pram.
Lovely cruising boat and I slept out in an old clinker one many times. Plenty of room and stable for a family. |
Posted By: piglet
Date Posted: 12 Mar 16 at 6:33pm
| Sport 14's are GRP |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 12 Mar 16 at 8:41pm
But do they offer much more? The Topper Cruz was the same hull with a ketch rig, which was novel! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 13 Mar 16 at 9:08am
I guess the Cruz was a sort of modern day interpretation of the Drascombes. Load em up with the wife, kids, Fido and a picnic and go explore up the creeks. Outboard to get you back when the wind fails. I can see the appeal.(My tastes are obviously changing as I get older) |
Posted By: piglet
Date Posted: 13 Mar 16 at 5:23pm
| I've not seen a Cruz around for yonks, how many did they sell? |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Mar 16 at 5:24pm
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I sailed on on Bristol docks 20 years ago. Wasn't too bad so long as you didn't expect racing Dinghy performance. I'd be tempted by one now - like The Moo, I'm finding different things appealing these days. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |