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    Posted: 15 May 14 at 11:44pm
Originally posted by iGRF

I'm trying to find out wether it would be permitted not to 'stay' the mast, or at least move the shrouds below the boom like the EPS.

The class rules permit only certain specified spars, unmodified, so the answer is almost certainly no.
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Originally posted by craiggo

The numbers that come out of sailwave are the raw py that each boat would have to sail in that particular race, so not great to use to adjust numbers. If Redoubt is using the script for cruiser racing to generate a personal number then fair enough, but I would assume they are using the RYA PYS website to get your recommended numbers.
As for the Miracle numbers I agree it's mad, but the guys at your club who are doing well in the Miracle know that that's the case so why don't you just adjust their number and not everyone else's. I spoke to them at the Dinghy Show and they were good blokes who know what's going on and I'm sure they'd be willing to make your racing fairer.


They are good people and there is absolutely no way that I'd want to be rude or even slightly belligerent I'm a relative newcomer sailing a boat that probably with hind site isn't as suitable for that water as it might of at first appeared, hence my scrutiny of the Streaker. If this was a different thread it is a perfect example of how badly the PY system is broken, it's one thing having a distant Governing body out of touch, but when the blame then transfers to close sailing acquaintances even friends or colleagues the likelihood of just fading away rather than cause a nuisance is far greater - thats human psychology.

Or as I have always suspected people are forced into sailing a class they won't enjoy against their will, the class won't move with the times, and so the slow creep of erosion continues. Having said that I haven't fully explored the Streaker, but with all the advances the lipstickers have manage to slowly make below the rig, the very least that should happen should be a carbon mast, the sail is only 6.5 it's tiny by modern standards and an EPS style rigging system if unstayed wasn't acceptable would enable running by the lee laser style sailing techniques. It doesn't look much like a planing hull so it probably wouldn't be as effective but there could be some more tactical opportunities on the downwind leg, who knows until it's tried.
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Try winning a handicap race on a tideway in a Miracle.  Light airs, top or bottom of the tide (i.e. next to no current), maybe, otherwise forget it.  A beat against the flow and you are stuffed compared to faster boats, let alone trying to keep up with a Streaker off-wind.  But yes, on a lake it may well be a good bet.

And that, GRF, is a key to how a large chunk of your formidable gripes about the PY system could be addressed - if the official figures came in three sets: lake, tidal & sea.  Even just the first two would be a huge improvement.

Downs SC tackle the tidal issue with what looks like a simple skew of the numbers about a mean of 1000, which is supported by theory.  


Of course, you can argue forever about how much the numbers should be skewed, and the requirement will change from tide to tide, so if the numbers are set at club level griping is guaranteed, but an official set of tidal numbers from the RYA would go a long way to making things fairer, and make it much easier for people to shrug and accept the imperfections of the system than it is now.

We have looked at introducing tidal PY's at WSC several times over the years, but have always pulled back from adopting them, partly because if the sailing committee sets them people will feel the results are more arbitrary than if we'd stuck to the 'proper numbers', and more importantly because it would mean that the damned Wayfarers would win by even more than they do now!
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Originally posted by Rupert

I thought light weather balance and trim was the reason the Crews' Union was formed in the first place? Well, that and beer, but to whinge about being sat stuffed forwards and to leeward, in the exact spot the kicker goes when the helm lets the main out without saying anything.

And if it is not there, there is always some cleat to sit on.
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This however looks like a whole other ball game, that curved seat, so you can get a bit further forward, it looks like it might have a double floor, the smooth lines, you could almost be forgiven for thinking it was something modern - then you look at the boom..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 14 at 11:58am
Apart from the whacking great "Team Rooster" on the aft deck, it looks pretty good.

Would the boom be better if it was a different colour? Or do you want a wishbone to hang off?
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It would be better if it were a carbon 'I' beam, but they haven't spotted it yet.



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I wouldn't buy another new boat without a carbon boom - it handles so much nicer than alloy through the gybes.  

One of Mike's early and best changes for the Blaze was a carbon boom - more important than a carbon mast imho.  
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Originally posted by iGRF

It would be better if it were a carbon 'I' beam, but they haven't spotted it yet.

And why, pray, do you believe that an I-beam would be better than a closed tube?
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Imagine it smacking you in the forehead!
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