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Ruscoe 
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 Topic: 505 running costsPosted: 12 Jun 13 at 10:22pm |
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Welll yes and no really, my biggest step up was sailing with a really sh*t hot helm (nut on the end of the tiller) however the switch to twin pole was revolutionary for me and made us much faster down wind. I was fairly early on in the Uk conversion terms mind you, most boats now have it. I would say crew weight you want a helm about 10 stone and a crew about 6ft 2 and about 15-16 stone ideally. but you can get away with being lighter as the rig is so infinitely controllable!
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curiosity
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Posted: 12 Jun 13 at 4:16pm |
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Russ - Are all those kinds of boat upgrades big things that made you go from say 35th to 15th, or are they finer things that would lift you by just a few places having made it most of the way on sailing skill alone? Any ideas what a minimum semi-competitive crew weight would be for a 505?
Ian - Sounds like it might be best for me just to wait for a bags boat to come up then, as I sail in quite choppy waters with lots of water coming over the front and I'm not sure I trust myself with a jigsaw and a boat! Thank you very much for the advice though!
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Ian29937
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Posted: 11 Jun 13 at 11:18pm |
It depends on the layout of the deck as there is quite a lot of flexibility allowed by the rules - some boats needed the holes cutting, others had the back of the foredeck scalloped to allow a semi-circular bag to be fitted. The chute covers were triangle shaped pieces of nylon, fixed across the bow with the back corner held by elastic. You had to pull the kite past the side of the cover when you hoisted. Ours always snagged the kite and didn't really stop the water too well. 20kg of water trapped in a kite isn't fast and doesn't make for a fast hoist. If a boat had a chute, I'd try it first as depending on the venue, you might be able to keep it dry (beware - this used to become the main objective on the beat rather than sailing fast) You could then just fit bags and leave the chute open (all water just passes through and down the bailer), or fix a permanent cover on the chute, or even remove the chute completely... Ian Edited by Ian29937 - 11 Jun 13 at 11:19pm |
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Ruscoe
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Posted: 11 Jun 13 at 6:56pm |
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We sailed with about 30 stone plus at the time, which in my opinion is too much. Unless 20 of that weight is in the front end (it wasnt) our boat was 8526, one of the newer hull shape Rondars. Nothinfg wrong with the boat at all, but when you start adding up the cost of twin poles new rages, high aspect rudders and looking to convert to high aspect gybing boards it was starting to get pricey. I think i spent about £7500 in total including the purchase of the boat. and sold it for £6k ish (i think that was the numbers) we were on course for about a top 15 or 20 place of a 40 boat nationals in her but had a breakage on the last day so had to carry a load of DNF's
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curiosity
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Posted: 11 Jun 13 at 5:49pm |
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Again, many thanks to both of you! Russ - What weight were you sailing it with? And what number was your boat?
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Ruscoe
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Posted: 11 Jun 13 at 5:22pm |
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505 will offer a lot of bang for your buck. However be careful with some of the older boats. check the mast hog as if water has been left in the hull this can rot and cause catastrophic failure. Also on some of the older boats check the side tanks as they can crack at the join with the floor and go oft where the role round inwards. This is very hard to fix properly and not cheap. As has already been said there are allot of fittings which are not cheap when they start to fail. You can also upgrade to a 6m monster kite faily easily however you may need to fit tweekers or upper shrouds as the kite take off point is obviously a metre higher up the mast and above the hounds so without them you run a significant chance of popping the mast.
We tore a monster kite on our boat but thats because my crew used brute force to try and recover the kite after a swim (5oh crews for you) we never tore a kite other than by doing this. Due to the nature of the fleet there are always sails going cheap so you can run a 5oh fairly cheaply. Thats said our boat cost us a load of money to keep going, as it was just the wrong age, as such i was constantly having to upgrade to try and keep up with the fleet (albeit the biggest reason we struggled was our weight and ability) One thing i will say is it is probably the best boat you will ever own and certainly the most fun i have ever had in bog wind and Waves, you will be out in a 5oh when the 9ers or skiffs will be 'bimbling' Hope that helps - Russ ex 505 owner
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jeffers
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Posted: 11 Jun 13 at 4:29pm |
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You can fit the bags wherever you like but to get a neat fit that is easy to use you are likely to need to get your jigsaw out.
When we sailed our old (1970's vintage) boat on the sea the water in the chute was not too bad. You can make a cover that is held over by a bit of shock cord to keep the worst of the water out.
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curiosity
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Posted: 11 Jun 13 at 2:03pm |
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Thanks! Is it possible to retrofit bags to a chute Fireball and then put a cap on the chute? Or does a Fireball need to have the holes in the fore deck just behind the mast to take bags?
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Ian29937
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Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 5:20pm |
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Fireball is great on the sea but is a wet boat - avoid chutes as they just suck up the water... It was the reason most of the fleet moved back to bags.
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curiosity
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Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 4:43pm |
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Great, thanks! Same view on RS, nice, well-built boats!
Another question for those who've sailed them: are Fireballs significantly worse on the sea? I've seen it suggested that 505s are much better/drier on choppy water. And are chute Fireballs significantly worse on the sea than Fireballs with spinnaker bags?
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