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    Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:20pm
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Draycote also has rescue cover for 364 days a year too which costs.

 
which is worth every penny!!!!
yes - I wish we had that
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we also can only sail when there is rescue cover.
but there are loads of inland ponds where you can sail any time without resue cover.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:25pm
south cerney allows sailing anytime you want... I managed a couple of dawn raids when i was member, sadly I forgot to check the forecast so neither were particularly memorable sails for the actual sailing!!!  (Nice thought though  LOL)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Steve411 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:35pm
Rescue cover  - it's an interesting subject. I think the lease at our (inland) clubs says we can only sail when there's rescue cover, and even then we're only allowed to use the water 3 days a week (so we don't upset the wildlife). But I can go down to the coast and sail away without any rescue cover, where the risk of getting intodifficulty is much higher.
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litigation culture..... if you cause an accident on private property while authorised to do something (e.g. windsurf, jet ski, sail a dinghy) then surely this is different from causing an accident on a public beach or at sea under COLREGS.

FWIW- I used to think DWSC should have a core hours rescue cover service and then have a disclaimer form for adults solo sailing outside of these times- a bit like a coastal club who offers loose rescue cover for non-racers during racing hours.  

However, one of the main points of difference we have is our professional rescue cover 363.5 days a year and that means we have an exemplary safety standard making our lake one of the most benign yet spacious inland sailing locations in the English central belt.

It's our number one selling point- and shouldn't be forgotten or dumbed down in anyway.


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Originally posted by Steve411

Rescue cover  - it's an interesting subject. I think the lease at our (inland) clubs says we can only sail when there's rescue cover, and even then we're only allowed to use the water 3 days a week (so we don't upset the wildlife). But I can go down to the coast and sail away without any rescue cover, where the risk of getting intodifficulty is much higher.


Not sure the statistics bear out the idea of risks on the sea being significantly higher.
We are a pretty safe lot really.
Plus of course, on the sea, there is some support from other water users, the public and the RNLI etc, whereas an inland reservoir can be devoid of people when nobody else is sailing. lots of people sail (including boards and kites) with no formal safety cover, and problems are very rare. Mostly we know what we are doing.
The water companies are put in the position of taking a level of responsibility for what happens on their premises, so they have to make rules.
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whilst we're on this little diversion, it's worth noting that the restrictions on English inland clubs are much more severe than Scottish clubs thanks to the difference between Trespass (England) and Access (Scotland) laws. In Scotland, if you've got land (por the lease for land) by a Loch, you can use it, even if it is a reservoir, for sailing without the "owner" of the body of water being able to stop you. it can also be used for kayaking, swimming, paddle boarding etc- fishing still requires permits and motorboats can be restricted. Much like you can walk, cycle and horse ride almost wherever you like. Landowners have almost no liability for your safety on their land/water.
 
In England, as trespass law essentially means that landowners grant permission to use bodies of water, there seems to be an assumption by them that in doing so they take on liability for safety. Poor understanding of exactly what liabilities they should assume means that different landowner seem to put different restrictions on the use of their water by clubs, which is crazy- it means you find year round clubs up in the north that have no formal rules on clothing, whilst Thames Water mandate full wetsuits/steamers/drysuits from the start of October to the start (end?) of April regardless of unseasonally mild weather.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 3:44pm
I seem to recall a full length wetsuit or drysuit rule at draycote for similar safety considerations... I don't seem to recall too many people policing it  Wink
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Sailing is in a very good place compared to some other sports, try just pitching up (pun intended) at your local golf course for a quick round of golf; no chance without paying the green fees.  OK you say, someone has to pay for making the course in the first place, sailors don't have to (well on the sea anyhow)... but how many council rules would also stop you playing golf, cricket or any other ball games on parks?  You can kite-surf off most beaches for no cost, but doubt most councils would let you land-yacht in a park.... although of course this all comes down to enforcement.  My favorite story on that subject was two US Navy guys who got caught playing a round of golf at Torrey Pines nr San Diego, in the middle of the night, wearing NVG kit and using a flask of coffee (or similar) to heat the ball up so it could be seen when it landed!
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Your right, us coastal(ish!) clubs don't have the same outgoings, as we aren't paying a water company for use of their lake, but the difference seems large.
In Draycote's case I accept the rather OTT safety boat cover implies a significant increase, but have clubs using private lakes/reservoirs challenged the owners regarding safety cover and the need thereof or are they merely accepting it?
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