Draycote Dash
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Topic: Draycote Dash
Posted By: alstorer
Subject: Draycote Dash
Date Posted: 11 Feb 12 at 10:21am
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there was a rumour at the Tiger last weekend that the Dash might be being restricted to slower boats only? As someone that's entered in a fast boat, is there any official word on this?
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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 11 Feb 12 at 12:05pm
| B14 at Draycote, at the moment..... Hahahahahahahaha |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 11 Feb 12 at 12:06pm
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Was wondering if that was the case! But it would be good to get the official line.
------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 11 Feb 12 at 2:18pm
| It would help wouldn't it... FWIW the fireballs were still reporting running aground going over the submerged islands, I wouldn't bother sailing there with a long dagger at the moment, but each to his own. |
Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 11 Feb 12 at 8:57pm
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hi rogue. you know there is a pipeline that takes water from draycote to m.w.y.c. in leamington. well, 7 trent are going to stop doing this and start taking water from the leam in leamington and send it back to draycote, useing this pipelaine in reverse. this is due to start soon. this should help your water levels for the dash. ------------- |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 12 Feb 12 at 1:20pm
| That's be good news, for us I guess! |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 12 Feb 12 at 9:42pm
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Here is the official word: PRESS RELEASE THE DRAYCOTE DASH Draycote Water Sailing Club is pleased to confirm that the previously postponed Draycote Dash, will go ahead on 25th and 26th February, 2012 as advertised. The Draycote Dash is the final event in the Sailjuice Series and as such will be a popular event, more so as several classes have opted to make the event their Winter Championships! However, in order to provide the high quality the event requires, Draycote Water Sailing Club (DWSC) have decided to restrict external entries to 120 boats. Draycote Water, like other reservoirs, has suffered from low water levels during 2011. The level though is now rising and DWSC has also undertaken extensive surveys to provide a comprehensive picture of water depths across the lake. For the event, DWSC will be able to relate the water level to the depth across the shallow areas (currently standing between 1.25m to 1.5m) and provide this information to competitors. This information will also be used in the setting of courses. If you have already entered and now wish to withdraw due to the water levels, please contact DWSC. For further information and to enter to guarantee your place please visit: http://www.sailracer.org/events/event-v2.asp?eventid=86703 - http://www.sailracer.org/events/event-v2.asp?eventid=86703 Only paid up entries will be considered as confirmed entries and will take precedent over unpaid entries. For other enquiries please contact mailto:office@draycotewater.co.uk - office@draycotewater.co.uk ------------- |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 12 Feb 12 at 9:49pm
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Al, In an unofficial capacity: Not sure where you got the slow boat restriction from but we haven't gone down that route, although the courses will probably have to be a bit tighter so may not really suit the moths or big skiffs depending on wind conditions. However, as James eluded to, we still have shallows (although they are getting deeper by the day as pumping in is ongoing) and so the club would completely understand if people who had already entered decided they didnt want to attend. I went out in a RIB today and the area outlined by the marker buoys will be being reduced this week by the bosuns. Hopefully it will be even smaller by the time of the event. I would definitely recommend attending the briefing before going afloat. Obviously we will do our very best to set the course to avoid the shallows as much as we can. Duncan, I knew they were planning on pumping up from Leamington a while back. Lets hope they get on with it! ------------- |
Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 12 Feb 12 at 10:08pm
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they were diging holes today. elaine and had to move our boats our of the way! after talking to the contractors, the pumping is due to start very soon. its classed as emergence drought work!!!!!!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 16 Feb 12 at 3:12pm
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yep, more news from the BBC here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-17050596 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-17050596
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 19 Feb 12 at 8:03pm
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any updates on the water level? We have some undecided sailors here. ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 19 Feb 12 at 11:20pm
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See the vids on the Facebook draycote windsurfers page- then decide if your an optimist or a pessimist!
FWIW - if I sailed a dagger on anything other than a Laser I wouldn't bother.... but that's not towing the party line! |
Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 2:39pm
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Level is down but there still looks like several hundred acres more water than I'm used to.  ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 3:38pm
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Hi all, Sorry only just seen this. Until recently the water was about 5-6ft away from the end of the nearest slip in the photo above so it is definitely coming in. Obviously the water level is still low as James has very helpfully already pointed out, nobody will deny that, but at least it has been coming up - albeit slowly. While we are not where we'd ideally be levelwise, the club decided we could provide some good racing at the Dash. The courses will be set to try to avoid the worst areas and while we cannot guarantee that you won't run aground, instances should be very few and far between. I've sailed through most of the winter at Draycote, and all through the end of last year when the lake was at its shallowest and have not touched the bottom once but know some have (mainly before the areas were marked). It is definitely a case of making sure you know where the buoys are that surround the shallow areas and making sure you stay outside them. If you are coming to the dash we will be doing all we can to make sure that everyone knows where the shallow parts of the lake are and if anyone is unsure and wants to make certain they know then please just ask. Look forward to seeing everyone at the weekend. Steve you've got a bit of competition - I see your brothers entered in his new boat! Chris ------------- |
Posted By: Fraggle
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 4:11pm
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Looking at the forecast if we do hit any shallows we'll be doing so very slowly at least! Why is it always windy in the week and sod all at the weekends recently :( ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 4:37pm
My understanding is that, roughly speaking, at our latitude the depressions tend to be vaguely spaced about a week apart, so you can get into a sequence like that. Could easily be wrong of course... |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 4:41pm
| Less Dash, more Drift... But hey who'd want a big course in next to no wind, silver lining n' all that! |
Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 5:13pm
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It'll be fine come the weekend. There's always wind at Draycote. Windguru is showing 14-24 knots on Sunday now. XCWeather needs to get its house in order though. ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 5:58pm
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Eh? It was plenty windy in Cambridge Saturday/ at Grafham Sunday Or was I imagining the white caps and fully hiking down wind? ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 8:21pm
| Looked up quite a lot on the webcam today I thought. Let's hope it's the windguru forecast which dominates! (Steve - XCWeather looks Ok if you look at the Cv23 postcode forecast). |
Posted By: Peter Barton
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 9:07pm
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The depth survey on DWSC news page is very informative but only if you know where the current level is on the 88.5m to 93m scale. Can someone from Draycote please confirm that?
Pictures of the slipway level are not really overly useful, only a rough indication.
Moths, when surface dwelling, draw about 1.2m upright, 1.3 m at a slight heel. I would like a minimum 1.5m outside the bouyed of areas to be safe. Do you think you have that?
I would love to come, if I am not being mad to consider it! ------------- |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 9:12pm
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If it's any help, I ran aground a few weeks ago... on a 40cm windsurf fin, the problem is the buoyed area ain't so easy to spot at 20 knots.
I'm sure the race officer will do his best to avoid the dodgy spots, but I wouldn't bang any clean air corners Pete! |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 10:11pm
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Pete, The hydrographer who did the survey also drove surveying nails into the second slipway visible in the picture above. They are spaced at 1/2m water level intervals from the full level (93m) down below current water level so it is fairly easy for us to get a level reading at any point relating back to the 93m level. Although not this late and in the dark.... I will ask the bosun to get the current level reading based on nails tomorrow and let you know. I was out measuring depth with a hand held depth reader (no, not a stick) on Sunday and it was reading upwards of 1.2m, more often 1.3m+ over musborough (the largest shallow area off the open meeting beach). You are supposed to hold the depth gauge right on the surface but I was bobbing up and down and hand wasnt very steady so not the most accurate really but a rough guide. We are really hoping that there will be over 1.5m which we think would effectively mean we could run over the top of it. As it is we were intending to try and mark off any area that was less than 1.5m on Friday afternoon. I know our two foiling moth sailors havent sailed for quite sometime and while we would welcome the Mothies we are realistic enough to understand that you probably wouldn't want to risk your expensive foils. As James said we will do all we can to point out the dodgy areas and avoid them with the courses. Sorry I can't be of more assistance tonight. James - you do know to step off your board as you approach the beach don't you  Chris ------------- |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 10:53pm
| It was the closes I've come to an epiphany about how great boards r over dinghies... Realising you can fall off a windsurfer and then walk on water 200 yds from the shore... Jesus clearly boarded, or sailed Fireballs. |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 21 Feb 12 at 11:38pm
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Chris, I work that out to be a depth of about 89.3OD. Which suggest Area 4 is fine for anything (was anyway wasn't it) but you would bash the mast on turtling. Areas 1 will still be dry (about 20cm?) and area 2 will have about 30cm. Whic makes it all quite simple really. I'm not too hot on dinghy drafts these days but I presume you'd like a good bit more before feeling anything could sail over area 3.
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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 22 Feb 12 at 8:21am
 Yes, area 3 is the biggie - the one we would like everyone to be able to sail over. We will generally be away from the other areas. ------------- |
Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 22 Feb 12 at 9:48am
Are you sure you weren't just close to the shore rather than over the shallows? Are you sure you're not just trying to put visitors off coming so they don't mess up your weekend by parking in the windsurfer carpark?  ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 22 Feb 12 at 10:02am
| I would if there was any wind forecast Steve! |
Posted By: BarnsieB14768
Date Posted: 22 Feb 12 at 10:10pm
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Chris Can boats be dropped off at the club on Friday evening. We have 1 B14 looking to drop off. Barnsie |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 22 Feb 12 at 10:26pm
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What time can we get there sat morning? ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 23 Feb 12 at 12:18pm
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Everyone, the bosun has said water still between 89m and 89.5m level
and would guess at half way to just over. So not as much has come in as
we hoped but we'll do all we can to mark off areas. Mark, any idea what time they'd like to arrive on Friday? I think the gates are open until 7ish. My mob number is on the NOR and if the gate is shut I can give the access code if needed but would rather not post it here. Olly, the clubhouse will be open from 8am Saturday. What time are you planning to arrive? We don't have to wash boats down now as they enter site, however to satisfy our landlords you'll have to sign a form to say your boat has been washed down off site before you came. It has of course hasn't it.... 
Chris ------------- |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 23 Feb 12 at 1:02pm
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I attacked ours with the power washer at grafham on Sunday; after all, you have to to get your "shrimp pass" to leave. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: BarnsieB14768
Date Posted: 23 Feb 12 at 1:23pm
| Afternoon Chris, just received the email and all is well explained. See you Saturday morning |
Posted By: BarnsieB14768
Date Posted: 23 Feb 12 at 1:24pm
| Forgot to mention Simon Hadley will no doubt give you a call |
Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 23 Feb 12 at 1:47pm
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just walked round draycote. water level is still rising. it looks a quite a bit higher than last week. ------------- |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 23 Feb 12 at 2:40pm
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that's because the River Leam now has no water in it! ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 23 Feb 12 at 8:51pm
| Very impressed by the online documents system. Great job guys - makes it nice and easy for us. |
Posted By: war child
Date Posted: 24 Feb 12 at 8:50pm
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so is there any water in the carpark? do i have to bring my own tarmac? how about valet parking? do you have a cafe or a drive-through? |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 24 Feb 12 at 9:21pm
LMFAO there's no water in the car park, however it currently warmed through thermonuclear hot air expelled from member disagreements over car and boat parking following one stink of a renewal letter we've all just received. please bring some tarmac, there's a couple of underweight lasers that could do with it as correctors. They'd probably ask you to fill in some windsurfers booties too... especially as this time of year it's so fecking cold even the most ardent of anti-footwear windsurfer dons some neoprene slips to keep the tootsies warm. valet parking- yes, Draycote has tried to arrange some parking marshals who will be congregating at 8am before regretting their individual decisions to 'help out'. I recommend rolling up, unhitching the combi and then throwing your key at them whilst grunting, 'don't scratch it boy' before picking your arse, farting and asking where the bacon sandwiches are. No drive through and you'll need to get a member to buzz you into the karzee if you plan a Mcsh*t with Lies without buying anything first... Again the catering has been given the new and improved treatment at draycote since the last dash- the last lot of caterers walked out on the club for some unknown reason. We'll never top a South Shields stottie on the Y&Y bacon butty league, but the Phantom sailors have rarely been disappointed- whoever happens to flip the burgers at any given open. Besides pig still tastes good whenever you lather it that cheap industrial brown sauce, which unlike the water in the reservoir, we have plenty of in abundance ahead of this weekend.
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 25 Feb 12 at 7:13am
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At least light wind means we should just nudge any shallows rather than crash into them at full bore
------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 25 Feb 12 at 8:14am
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Don't you 'washer wimmin' sit in the pit during light winds? Sounds like an opportunity to genuinely swing the lead....
Have a good sail Al |
Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 8:10pm
| Are results available yet? |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 10:02pm
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Absolutely. They are here: http://www.draycotewater.co.uk/results/2012_Draycote_Dash.htm - http://www.draycotewater.co.uk/results/2012_Draycote_Dash.htm Or here: http://www.sailracer.org/events/v2-results.asp?eventid=86703 - http://www.sailracer.org/events/v2-results.asp?eventid=86703 ------------- |
Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 11:24pm
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glad to hear it went well even if a little more wind would have been welcome.
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 11:33pm
| Great event - best of the Sailjuice Series. 5 champagne races yesterday, 2 toughies today, but all ran smoothly, great welcome, great turn around. Well done to all at Grafham, especially RO John and his team, and Chris and Rich. |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 11:37pm
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Doh - \Well done to all at Draycote! (It;s been a long day especially with the dog leg topick the kids up.
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 7:02am
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Saturday's racing was very slick. If I'm honest, I think we would have been happy had the Sunday morning race been canned and the pursuit started earlier- not just to get the pain over and done with, but to get packed up a tad earlier. We managed to avoid running aground, though a couple of the other B14s touched mud, and Andy Rice found one of the shallow areas at some speed in his musto ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 8:43am
Duncan, you and Elaine should have come over. It was perfect British Moth weather! ------------- |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 8:47am
I don't think anyone touched during racing did they? I didnt see anything untoward but mainly had my head down in the committee boat trying to write sail numbers and times for every boat as they were called. From speaking to Andy he was trying to dry his kite between races when he hit the bottom away from the race course. Point noted about packing up time. I think the pursuit did start a little later than intended. Apologies if you were late back. ------------- |
Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 8:48am
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Top event, well run. Well done to all concerned with the organisation. Several of us sailed over the shallow area on the way to the start. There was plenty of clearance. No problems despite certain elements suggesting it was virtually unsailable. ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 10:30am
it did cross our minds, but things got in the way. elaine did well in the club race on sunday to prove your point. me, i did rubbish. nothing the matter with the boat. it was the correct boat for the conditions. the problem was all down the helm!  anyway like i said before, glad it went so well  and hope you can calm the windsurfers down------------- |
Posted By: BarnsieB14768
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 10:31am
| Having the deepest draft boats at the event, the B14s found the venue fine and race turn around on Saturday was slick. Could have done with finishing earlier on Sunday as it turned into a late drive home south but the lack of wind did not help. We touched bottom between races drifting off the course area but only a little mud on the tip which we wiped off. Great event but tough on the faster PY boats. Conditions could not really have been better to match the course on Saturday and Sunday wind was a little patchy but stilled enjoyed it. |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 11:26am
I don't think anyone suggested it was 'virtually unsailable' Steve, just that precaution over the shallow spots would be needed and confirmation that the reservoir is teetering around half full as featured on the BBC news recently. This hopefully gave folks the information they needed to judge for themselves how suitable the event would be for them with the temporary shallow water situation Draycote currently suffers from. So already a B14 and an MPS are confirmed to have touched bottom- good job there wasn't much wind and they weren't going at full tilt, just like another member who was also sails an MPS and 800 did and he ended up breaking his nose! But whatever, it does sound like it was an incredibly well managed event, both on and off the water and as I said in a previous post, the race officer is very experienced and would avoid the areas for the racing:
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Posted By: BarnsieB14768
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 11:56am
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Rogue, you seem to be missing the point. The racing area was fine and we and Andy only touched when we stayed way off the course area and ended up on the NE shallow area. Navigational error. Interestingly several boats capsized and masts did not touch bottom, so must be deep in places. Race management was slick and well run. |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 11:57am
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I'm pleased that went ahead and everyone clearly enjoyed themselves - interesting results. Had my first race in the boat of joy, with me stuck in some mud as the gun went, I remember thinking of you lot at the time, that's a first for me, the joys of inland, stuck in the mud with no wind, still better than stuck down tide with no wind eh? AT least they raced we wouldn't have even set the marks in the wind we had sunday morning. EDit oh and I came last again, beaten by Merlins, Streakers, just about every kind of coffin dodgers craft going in case you were wondering, but I've got loads of excuses.
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Posted By: blaze720
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 12:12pm
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So thank you Draycote - it was as good as regular large estuary sailing and
absolutely fine for racing imho. We intentionally sailed over the main
'shallow' several times to check it and there was plenty of depth -
everything was also better buoyed than any estuary in my opinion. We'd have liked a longer beat from further back down the lake in fact but that is just a minor 'wish' really.
The forecasters of doom ... shame on you .. you probably put off quite a few visitors from some very good racing especially on Saturday when we got sunshine, relative warmth and a great bit of breeze ! Unless you perhaps had a VERY long dagger and/or strayed into the well marked areas there was no problem. Mike L. |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 2:13pm
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Barnsie- no I'm not missing the point, I'm in fact congratulating the team for keeping the race course off the shallows. Something I said I thought would happen given the calibre of the race officers. I now understand there was also a separate safety boat at one of the particularly shallow spots as well as plenty of general safety cover. It's good to know Draycote kept it safer than ever. The club has an exemplary safety record and one of the main reasons why we are more than willing to pay a (relatively) high membership fee. To have the kind of professional back up you guys saw first hand 363.5 days a year is not without cost, but it is 100% worthwhile to all its members, even those naive enough to think they don't need it..... yet.
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 9:28pm
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Rogue, Whether you intended it that way or not your posts have come across as negative (depthor forecast). I really hope no-one was put off and missed out on a great event because of them.
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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 9:33pm
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Just realistic matt - where were all the local sailors? We have the biggest fireball fleet in the country, youths in 29ers, loads of freds and several 49ers... few showed up and they don't have the drive to do.
Anyway it was a successful event, and RO did brilliantly to keep you off the putty and Saturday's breeze looked far better than windguru predicted. |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 9:36pm
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RO did a great job - but the shallows were irrelevant given that there was enough space for a course in the top of the lake. It makes me laugh listening to all the whining about missing them with a daggerboard, or not guageing the line right when under assymetric. What do people think happens in say Chi or Poole harbours where there are shallows and the depth changes as the tide goes in and out twice a day, not once every two years.
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 9:38pm
Perhaps they engaged in negative group think, prompted by a few people on here and the club forum!
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 9:39pm
Perhaps they succumbed to negative group think - and it would have been easy for someone on here or the club forum to start that off!
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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 9:43pm
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Perhaps the water is just down 50% and windguru had a crappy forecast -
That's fact, it's upto individuals to decide if it does it for them or not |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 9:52pm
| True - True. It's just I'm a glass 3/4 full kind of bloke! |
Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 9:22am
 ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: stuie
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 11:04am
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i'm a full pint JB -as for suggesting draycote is expensive! : sailing membership £400 travel (ok i am obsessed and visited at least 75 times in 2011) petrol at 40p per mile £1342 open meetings visiting other clubs (only 2) £100 replacement kit - approx £150 membership fees are the least of my worries (especially if the wife reads this) in the words of a great idol: I spent 90% of my money on Beer, Sailing, and Curry, the rest i wasted. ------------- supernova 1019 |
Posted By: LASERNUT
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 11:33am
| Try £46 for a laser qualifier IF you enter two weeks before. £60 after and that is only for 5 races. Never at the best places to sail either. |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 11:50am
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Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 11:51am
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wow, thats expensive our sonata nationals for 5 days is 50 quid inc lift in and out and mooring/camping, but the class is paying 50quid towards any traveling boats so its FREE. ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 12:16pm
| ... and how many crew could you realistically split that with Olly??? Yep, 'yachting' is not always as expensive as some would assume. |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 12:27pm
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what i ment to say is that for some dinghy events you are expected to pay 50 quid for a weekend, just seems alot but then petrol for the ribs, prizes cost of the club, reducing numbers all equate to rising prices. anyway its a shame i missed the draycote dash but as im selling my B14 we didnt do it ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: bert
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 9:49pm
For this arrangment I pay appox £ 300.
Looking at the membership fees for draycote I would be very surprised if I applied for membership ( if i lived in the area ), saying that I do think it is a great bit of water with some great racing so as an event traveler I will always try to do events at draycote,but the fees seem high to me. ------------- Phantom 1181 AC-227 IC 304 blaze / halo 586 |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 9:58pm
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Sadly if you lived in the area you'd realise there's not actually much choice if you want the kind of space it offers. When space and selfish sailing become less of a requirement as I'll inevitably be looking for sailing options for the kids, then I'd plan to change clubs again. The general attitude and quality of racing at South Cerney SC was very good, (I understand the other Cotswold clubs are equally well appointed in these direction). Sadly the road was loaded with Sunday drivers so what should be a 50 minute drive, often took in excess of 1.5 hours. The only other negative was that windsurfing there was awful... but it was rarely windy enough to justify board over boat, so not a major issue. When I returned to Draycote I had no intention of dinghy racing there, it was just a means to keep me on the water over the winter between circuit events and handicap opens, that was until me knee went 'pop'.... either way, I can't see myself returning to dinghy racing there, but it's a means to an end for windyplanking.
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Posted By: bert
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 10:22pm
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Rogue me old son, I understand where you are coming from & the poorly cropped quote imply`s I was replying to you where that isn`t true. It was just a £400 quid membership ( wow that must hurt ) before berthing fees & other top ups statement.
The only thing you have at draycote that I don`t is a wet bar but there is a pub just 10 meters outside the club that welcomes sailors,I suppose the extra cost must be due to the professioal staff required to run the club to the high strandard to justify the fees.
For my personal sailing requirements South Gurney sounds like it has all that is required.
Wet enough to sail on deep enough to keep the beer cold.
Anyways get to bed early I am sure your new alarm clock will wake you again soon. ------------- Phantom 1181 AC-227 IC 304 blaze / halo 586 |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 10:25pm
actually that's 400 quid and you need to man the bar yourself 4 times a year (or paint fences etc)... not that makes things much better does it? 
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 12:34pm
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Just to rub salt in the wound.
At my local club I paid £165 this year for family membership plus compound spaces for the RS700 and the Graduate. Access to the water available whenever the tides in, all week, all year around. Free camping at the club so if the weekend looks nice we can bang up the tent. And on it goes... |
Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:01pm
But you would expect lower fees at coastal clubs as you don't need to lease the water from the water company. ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:10pm
| Coastal clubs always look cheap, but unless you happen to live very close to your club transport costs make it look a bit different. Sometimes very different... |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:11pm
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Craig, You say tide in, that assumes your club is based on the coast. Inland clubs are at an immediate disadvantage as we have to pay a substantial rent for the sole use (apart from fishing) of the water we sail on. This is a significant cost in running the club which coastal clubs presumably do not have to bare and has to be paid for by membership fees. Draycote also has rescue cover for 364 days a year too which costs. Ah beaten to it by Steve..... ------------- |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:16pm
which is worth every penny!!!!
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Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:20pm
yes - I wish we had that
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Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:22pm
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we also can only sail when there is rescue cover. but there are loads of inland ponds where you can sail any time without resue cover. ------------- |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:25pm
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south cerney allows sailing anytime you want... I managed a couple of dawn raids when i was member, sadly I forgot to check the forecast so neither were particularly memorable sails for the actual sailing!!! (Nice thought though )
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Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:35pm
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Rescue cover - it's an interesting subject. I think the lease at our (inland) clubs says we can only sail when there's rescue cover, and even then we're only allowed to use the water 3 days a week (so we don't upset the wildlife). But I can go down to the coast and sail away without any rescue cover, where the risk of getting intodifficulty is much higher. ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:41pm
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litigation culture..... if you cause an accident on private property while authorised to do something (e.g. windsurf, jet ski, sail a dinghy) then surely this is different from causing an accident on a public beach or at sea under COLREGS. FWIW- I used to think DWSC should have a core hours rescue cover service and then have a disclaimer form for adults solo sailing outside of these times- a bit like a coastal club who offers loose rescue cover for non-racers during racing hours. However, one of the main points of difference we have is our professional rescue cover 363.5 days a year and that means we have an exemplary safety standard making our lake one of the most benign yet spacious inland sailing locations in the English central belt. It's our number one selling point- and shouldn't be forgotten or dumbed down in anyway.
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Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:57pm
Not sure the statistics bear out the idea of risks on the sea being significantly higher. We are a pretty safe lot really. Plus of course, on the sea, there is some support from other water users, the public and the RNLI etc, whereas an inland reservoir can be devoid of people when nobody else is sailing. lots of people sail (including boards and kites) with no formal safety cover, and problems are very rare. Mostly we know what we are doing. The water companies are put in the position of taking a level of responsibility for what happens on their premises, so they have to make rules. |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 3:25pm
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whilst we're on this little diversion, it's worth noting that the restrictions on English inland clubs are much more severe than Scottish clubs thanks to the difference between Trespass (England) and Access (Scotland) laws. In Scotland, if you've got land (por the lease for land) by a Loch, you can use it, even if it is a reservoir, for sailing without the "owner" of the body of water being able to stop you. it can also be used for kayaking, swimming, paddle boarding etc- fishing still requires permits and motorboats can be restricted. Much like you can walk, cycle and horse ride almost wherever you like. Landowners have almost no liability for your safety on their land/water.
In England, as trespass law essentially means that landowners grant permission to use bodies of water, there seems to be an assumption by them that in doing so they take on liability for safety. Poor understanding of exactly what liabilities they should assume means that different landowner seem to put different restrictions on the use of their water by clubs, which is crazy- it means you find year round clubs up in the north that have no formal rules on clothing, whilst Thames Water mandate full wetsuits/steamers/drysuits from the start of October to the start (end?) of April regardless of unseasonally mild weather. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 3:44pm
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I seem to recall a full length wetsuit or drysuit rule at draycote for similar safety considerations... I don't seem to recall too many people policing it
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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 4:11pm
| Sailing is in a very good place compared to some other sports, try just pitching up (pun intended) at your local golf course for a quick round of golf; no chance without paying the green fees. OK you say, someone has to pay for making the course in the first place, sailors don't have to (well on the sea anyhow)... but how many council rules would also stop you playing golf, cricket or any other ball games on parks? You can kite-surf off most beaches for no cost, but doubt most councils would let you land-yacht in a park.... although of course this all comes down to enforcement. My favorite story on that subject was two US Navy guys who got caught playing a round of golf at Torrey Pines nr San Diego, in the middle of the night, wearing NVG kit and using a flask of coffee (or similar) to heat the ball up so it could be seen when it landed! |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 8:37pm
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Your right, us coastal(ish!) clubs don't have the same outgoings, as we aren't paying a water company for use of their lake, but the difference seems large.
In Draycote's case I accept the rather OTT safety boat cover implies a significant increase, but have clubs using private lakes/reservoirs challenged the owners regarding safety cover and the need thereof or are they merely accepting it? |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 8:46pm
| I honestly don't know with regards Severn Trent / Draycote |
Posted By: stuie
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 8:41am
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if the coast was less than 1hr away then I would be sailing on the sea but it isn't. if you want cheap sailing in this area - its available - leamington is a nice little club cheap and sociable. but i want big water with pleanty of club racing. and TBH don't think £33 per month is to bad. back onto topic the dash was a top event and i am sure the club will take on comments how we can improve further. ------------- supernova 1019 |
Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 10:45am
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you get what you pay for. within 30 miles of my house, there are over half a dozen clubs, ranging in size from draycote at 700 acres to leamington at 10 acres. with prices to match! if i did not sail at leamington i would be looking at sailing at banbury s.c. or the clubs in east birmingham or west northampton, all are in the 50 to 100 acre range. thats the joy of sailing, there is a club for everybody, what ever you want out of sailing. ------------- |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 6:50pm
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And back on topic.... For anyone that came to the Dash we've had a couple more photo albums appear. Both are amateurs so feel free to contact them if you would like any of the photographs. http://www.panoramio.com/user/3130920 - http://www.panoramio.com/user/3130920 http://www.flickr.com/photos/62801868@N03/ - http://www.flickr.com/photos/62801868@N03/ Enjoy. ------------- |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 8:47pm
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Something I wondered, having left before the prize giving/before it got dark- was there any sort of prize for the Tera sailor? I was most impressed with their perseverance!
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Posted By: LASERNUT
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 8:53pm
| He got some chocolate. Full marks to the tera for doing ALL the races. |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 9:02pm
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Excellent! It was quite something to see him start a second lap of the pursuit before we started our first!
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