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    Posted: 16 Mar 05 at 8:04pm
yer but the cherub is the only boat to compare it with realy
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the problem with the spice is that if you can sail one you can probably sail a rs800 and that is a much beter boat and there is a beter fleat to race agenst

I like the look of the cherab but I have never seen them out in large numbers

 



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Cherubs now have the same rag as an 800 but half the weight! Even on old rules I could pace an 800 upwind, and then mince it downwind!

The cherub fleet is quickly growing again with the new rule change, so its all go go go!

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Thats good newes they have alwase looked a good boat to sail grate fun to sail if they get a good fleat lots of people will want to sail them I do
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does anyone else think that the topper boats spice, boss, iso, buzz, byte, 5.9 were or are still all better boats than others on the market but due to bad avertising never sold well as they should have done!
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NO! the entire tupper-wear fleet is overpriced and underpowered! they all weigh and absolute tonne, ive sailed every boat you mentioned apart from the byte, but they are not responsive and give your back real grief when launching off a slipway! They tend to plow through waves rather than riding over them. All beit the 5.9 which is a cat and a true machine, but past its time. Its a nice boat, but sucess went to the tornado and now all the F18's.

ps, im selling my 49er - going back to cherubs! Anyone interested, its priced to sell (3800) and can be found on www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk 

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In a time where people want more and more power and less and lees waight the topper fleat do not com up to scrach they are to hevey and don't have enoufe power

people say that the new byte is more pawafall but with the carbon mast it losses most of it's power and the max waight that you can sail and be competative is 9.5-10 stone so it still is a boat for light waites what a shame the hull is so nice on them give it more power

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Originally posted by hurricane

does anyone else think that the topper boats spice, boss, iso, buzz, byte, 5.9 were or are still all better boats than others on the market but due to bad avertising never sold well as they should have done!


The Byte's a nice boat I think. Only sailed one with the old rig though. We used to have one at our club as a trainer. It was my preference for the ladies. I wish we still had it, better than the Laser in that role IMHO. (Can we have it back please Byte Association [grin])

Of the others I've only sailed the Boss and Iso. Only sailed a Boss the once, not anxious for a second go. To me it was just horrible, but I don't like big boats anyway, so I was never going to be very enthusiastic.

I've sailed ISOs a reasonable amount. For me they're pretty ordinary, except that ergonomically for me they're completely horrible - lumps bumps and bruises everywhere!

The trouble with those boats was that they were based on 14 technology just before the I14s did the amalagamation thing and caught up 25+ years of development in one big hit. Advertising/Marketing seemed to be the one thing they did have going for them. By contrast the Bethwaite and RS boats are based on more contemporary development class experience.

My favourite two handed SMOD is without doubt the 29er, but I've got a lot of time for the RS400 which is an excellent club racer for middle sized reservoirs like the one I sail at. I haven't been in a 59er. Of SMOD singlehanders I think the RS300 stands out (but I loved the Megabyte when I sailed in one in a drifter). Your mileage will vary!



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Thay are all just to big and they all have to much waite when you are sailing next to the boss it looks like a war ship we want small light boats that extremaly fast

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this is all true but everyone seems to forget that the iso was the first one design assymetric and i think topper didnt do a bad job and i dont know why everyone seems to have these expectations of the iso to be a cutting edge design when it clealy isnt people seem to forget its a 15 year old design
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