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Poll Question: Should there be one on the market
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    Posted: 01 Nov 11 at 12:15pm
Originally posted by Dan MPS

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by Wrighty

"I think you have successfully debunked the hype that a Standard Musto can be sailed by lightweights with that comment"

  No, The world champ is a lightweight at the moment, also the Main that Dan used was like a Radial to the standard laser rig, you need to go smaller like the 4.7 rig on the laser, all you can say is that a
lightweight will have problems sailing the musto in a force 5 on the sea, put a very small sail on the Musto and you can get afloat in the windy stuff and have great fun in a force 2 to 3 in a normal rig.

   For me the contruction of the hull is the main problem if you want to lend the musto to the young, you have to treat the Musto with respect, not drag it up the shoreline like a topper.



  Any new boat will cost lots of money, best change a current boat like the 8.1 rig on the laser only £300 to change it. No money out there at the moment?
So at 76kg and 5'8"? The WORLD CHAMP uses a small sail... enough said.



I would just like to clear up that I am 6 foot, 74kg and the worldchampion in the standard musto. I did some development with the small sail for the class association.

I think the farr 3.7 looks like a good boat, but from the voting at the top it seems people want a skiff type boat with an assymetric. if thats what people want then i dont think that there is a boat currently on the market. However i dont think that there is a large enough target market?


One nice thing about the Farr 3.7 is the ability to build with or without an Assymetric. The rules have been sensibly worded to allow for those who want a kite to have one and not be penalized when fleet racing when the kite is currently not allowed.

The nice thing about launching the class in the UK is that we can have the best of both worlds and let the membership decided how they want to go. Also the boats are very easily home built in plywood, as well as easy to build to the 50kg limit. In tough times 3/4 sheets of plywood lazer cut from AutoCad files I can provide, some MDF frames and a few hours in the garage. Seems a no brainer to me.

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Originally posted by Neptune

Originally posted by getafix

Farr 3.7 seems to do the job for the original question... can't help but wander though about all this need for 'new' singlehanders... to my mind, there's still a gap in the market for a decent, two handed boat for 60-70kg x2 crew (tops 75kg).  V3000 hasn't really taken off, and seems a bit cramped to me, would have thought it was possible to design something RS500 sized but lighter and more liberally canvassed?

like a 29er?


er no, not like a 29er - a boat you sit/stand on, is rather under-canvassed (it has been argued by others) and is rather un-comfortable looking in medium to light breeze for me...

I'm thinking more like a modern, low maintenance and slippery alternative to the Fireball/Hornet type boats from past years....
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by Dan MPS

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by Wrighty

"I think you have successfully debunked the hype that a Standard Musto can be sailed by lightweights with that comment"

  No, The world champ is a lightweight at the moment, also the Main that Dan used was like a Radial to the standard laser rig, you need to go smaller like the 4.7 rig on the laser, all you can say is that a
lightweight will have problems sailing the musto in a force 5 on the sea, put a very small sail on the Musto and you can get afloat in the windy stuff and have great fun in a force 2 to 3 in a normal rig.

   For me the contruction of the hull is the main problem if you want to lend the musto to the young, you have to treat the Musto with respect, not drag it up the shoreline like a topper.



  Any new boat will cost lots of money, best change a current boat like the 8.1 rig on the laser only £300 to change it. No money out there at the moment?
So at 76kg and 5'8"? The WORLD CHAMP uses a small sail... enough said.



I would just like to clear up that I am 6 foot, 74kg and the worldchampion in the standard musto. I did some development with the small sail for the class association.

I think the farr 3.7 looks like a good boat, but from the voting at the top it seems people want a skiff type boat with an assymetric. if thats what people want then i dont think that there is a boat currently on the market. However i dont think that there is a large enough target market?


One nice thing about the Farr 3.7 is the ability to build with or without an Assymetric. The rules have been sensibly worded to allow for those who want a kite to have one and not be penalized when fleet racing when the kite is currently not allowed.

The nice thing about launching the class in the UK is that we can have the best of both worlds and let the membership decided how they want to go. Also the boats are very easily home built in plywood, as well as easy to build to the 50kg limit. In tough times 3/4 sheets of plywood lazer cut from AutoCad files I can provide, some MDF frames and a few hours in the garage. Seems a no brainer to me.



FWIW, v nice
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Originally posted by getafix

... decent, two handed boat for 60-70kg x2 crew ... I'm thinking more like a modern, low maintenance and slippery alternative to the Fireball/Hornet type boats from past years....

Still sounds like a 29er to me I'm afraid!
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

In tough times 3/4 sheets of plywood lazer cut from AutoCad files I can provide, some MDF frames and a few hours in the garage. Seems a no brainer to me.



It would be great to see home building start again ... it was the off the shelf kits that got things going before ... is anyone going to develop a kit for the 3.7?
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by getafix

... decent, two handed boat for 60-70kg x2 crew ... I'm thinking more like a modern, low maintenance and slippery alternative to the Fireball/Hornet type boats from past years....

Still sounds like a 29er to me I'm afraid!
Not quite, but the trouble might be that if you design an alternative to the Fireball, people will just think, why not buy a Fireball and get all that nice International class racing and support? And the chance to buy an inexpensive secondhand boat to learn on, of course.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 11 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by seamonkey


Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

In tough times 3/4 sheets of plywood lazer cut from AutoCad files I can provide, some MDF frames and a few hours in the garage. Seems a no brainer to me.

It would be great to see home building start again ... it was the off the shelf kits that got things going before ... is anyone going to develop a kit for the 3.7?


Well... the AutoCad files that I have been very generously given buy Peter Kovesi effectively provide a kit when combined with the Class Association plans. You just send your wood to the lazer cutters and you get back all the panels in the same way you would have with a Mirror.

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A smaller hull makes sense. 

Simply using a smaller rig on a bigger hull risks creating a dog in light winds when it's all about sail area/wetted area.

My only real gripes with the Farr 3.7 are a suspicion that it might be a bit too small and correspondingly twitchy, and that it's short waterline length will have a slow hull speed for the displacement conditions so common inland. Also, it does look to me very boxy/Solo/60's, not that that should matter, but still...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gbrspratt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 11 at 7:11pm
Can it really be that simple? what is the aprox cost of a home build?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote haroosh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 11 at 7:48pm
Can you buy a farr3.7 ready built and ready to sail in the uk today? Sorry if this has been answered in earlier posts.
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