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    Posted: 31 Oct 11 at 12:22pm
"I think you have successfully debunked the hype that a Standard Musto can be sailed by lightweights with that comment"
  No, The world champ is a lightweight at the moment, also the Main that Dan used was like a Radial to the standard laser rig, you need to go smaller like the 4.7 rig on the laser, all you can say is that a lightweight will have problems sailing the musto in a force 5 on the sea, put a very small sail on the Musto and you can get afloat in the windy stuff and have great fun in a force 2 to 3 in a normal rig.
   For me the contruction of the hull is the main problem if you want to lend the musto to the young, you have to treat the Musto with respect, not drag it up the shoreline like a topper.
  Any new boat will cost lots of money, best change a current boat like the 8.1 rig on the laser only £300 to change it. No money out there at the moment?


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Well im pretty sure that a light weight can sail the standard musto as im 74kg's and won the musto worlds this year?
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Originally posted by seamonkey

Originally posted by winging it

a single hnaded trapeze boat for the 65 - 80kg weight range?


That isn't a range for lightweights ... 80kgs is obese ... complete porkers ... almost ready for the bandit of all bandits the Phantom ...

Obese - for a midget perhaps.  For those of us that are not 5'7" its not very big at all.
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Originally posted by Neptune

Originally posted by seamonkey

Originally posted by winging it

a single hnaded trapeze boat for the 65 - 80kg weight range?


That isn't a range for lightweights ... 80kgs is obese ... complete porkers ... almost ready for the bandit of all bandits the Phantom ...

Obese - for a midget perhaps.  For those of us that are not 5'7" its not very big at all.


Well there wer have it one mans midget is anothers norm ... that is why the term lightweight isn't very useful ... DanMPS sees himself as a lightweight but I'd say 74kgs isn't lightweight ... it all depends on context ...

80kgs is a lighweight if you are talking to Finn sailors and a giant if you are talking to Topper sailors.

Start by defining your terms and you get a more sensible discussion ... also talk about competitive weights ... I COULD sail a Finn but I certainly would NOT be competitive.
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Hey Dan,
Ian R quoted you as a good example of lighter weight being sucessful in the MPS but I'm around 65kg and alot less experienced by the sounds of it hence why I found the boat quite intimidating but very exciting. In heinsight I probably didn't stick with it long enough but when I saw all the small sail chat it did make me wonder if the wonder of the MPS could be opened up to sub 70kg's folk with less wiring experience?????
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Originally posted by seamonkey

 

80kgs is a lighweight if you are talking to Finn sailors and a giant if you are talking to Topper sailors.

Start by defining your terms and you get a more sensible discussion ... also talk about competitive weights ... I COULD sail a Finn but I certainly would NOT be competitive.

Recent article regarding the Perth Worlds for the Finn - they are talking about it being a heavy regatta and favouring the bigger fitter guys like Ed Wright who is 105kg!  He wasn't alone in being 100kg plus either!
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Originally posted by haroosh

Hey Dan,
Ian R quoted you as a good example of lighter weight being sucessful in the MPS but I'm around 65kg and alot less experienced by the sounds of it hence why I found the boat quite intimidating but very exciting. In heinsight I probably didn't stick with it long enough but when I saw all the small sail chat it did make me wonder if the wonder of the MPS could be opened up to sub 70kg's folk with less wiring experience?????
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  The answer to that is yes, there are 15 sailors sub 64kgs and the way to sail the musto is get a small sail and kite made to practice in the windy stuff or sail a second boat on windy days, its all in the way you look at life, the only one thing I would say if you are over 50 years of age you do not bounce very well or bend and things do go wrong, if you are young then you will soon pass me Cry


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Originally posted by Wrighty




"I think you have successfully debunked the hype that a Standard Musto can be sailed by lightweights with that comment"
  No, The world champ is a lightweight at the moment, also the Main that Dan used was like a Radial to the standard laser rig, you need to go smaller like the 4.7 rig on the laser, all you can say is that a lightweight will have problems sailing the musto in a force 5 on the sea, put a very small sail on the Musto and you can get afloat in the windy stuff and have great fun in a force 2 to 3 in a normal rig.
   For me the contruction of the hull is the main problem if you want to lend the musto to the young, you have to treat the Musto with respect, not drag it up the shoreline like a topper.
  Any new boat will cost lots of money, best change a current boat like the 8.1 rig on the laser only £300 to change it. No money out there at the moment?




So at 76kg and 5'8"? The WORLD CHAMP uses a small sail... enough said.
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by Wrighty




"I think you have successfully debunked the hype that a Standard Musto can be sailed by lightweights with that comment"
  No, The world champ is a lightweight at the moment, also the Main that Dan used was like a Radial to the standard laser rig, you need to go smaller like the 4.7 rig on the laser, all you can say is that a lightweight will have problems sailing the musto in a force 5 on the sea, put a very small sail on the Musto and you can get afloat in the windy stuff and have great fun in a force 2 to 3 in a normal rig.
   For me the contruction of the hull is the main problem if you want to lend the musto to the young, you have to treat the Musto with respect, not drag it up the shoreline like a topper.
  Any new boat will cost lots of money, best change a current boat like the 8.1 rig on the laser only £300 to change it. No money out there at the moment?



So at 76kg and 5'8"? The WORLD CHAMP uses a small sail... enough said.
 
I have never seen Dan with a small sail, he has tried one to test it, at his weight he also came second at the inlands a few years ago, very windy event in 2008, he might have been even lighter then sailing a normal rig, only one sail allowed in the Musto events.


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

So at 76kg and 5'8"? The WORLD CHAMP uses a small sail... enough said.
 
There seems to be some confusion creeping in here so for the avoidance of doubt here are the facts.
 
There is only ONE sail for the Musto Performance Skiff; Daniel Henderson did not use a small sail to win the worlds; he used the same sail as everyone else ... there is only one.
 
Under the guidance from the membership the class has been testing, for over a year, a smaller sail.
 
 
As yet no conclusions have been reached by the MPSCA and so the test continues. I believe "Wrighty's" comment refers to "DanMPS's" experiences when testing the sail as part of the MPSCA managed testing programme which has been conducted outside of any racing.
 
With regards to the weight of sailors the details can be found in the survey data which is conducted each year.  All the data is presented in full at the bottom of this page:
 
 
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