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Poll Question: Should there be one on the market
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    Posted: 31 Oct 11 at 9:38am
Wasn't there a "mini Musto" that made it as far as prototype a year or two back/ What happened to that?
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From the video I've seen it looks a little hard core for youngsters to learn on. And I believe Ovi's rejected the option to build it? Maybe they thought that too?
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Originally posted by Wrighty



All anyone has to do is cut a old Musto mainsail down and change the kite to a RS700 design so that you can see better and this makes the kite smaller, the main problem for most sailors is the money to buy the boat, not many people have got 5 to 10 grand to spare.


Having seen very competent sailors struggle with the Musto on in land lakes ( where a large proportion of kids sail ) this isn't the only thing needed for a lightweights singlehanded trapeze boat. The Musto is a completely different platform to sail from. Very skiff in style, needing lots of crew comitment. The Farr on the other hand allows the crew to transition from hiking to trapezing in a much easier way.
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As far as i know, the small sail for the musto is still being trialed, and the date was moved back by the committe to the end of this year to evaluate the small sail. I was one of the first to sail with it when we first got it from hydes, and i believe it was still too powerful for a sailor of 60-70kg.  the sail was amazingly fast though which was another problem because it then leeds into an 18 foot skiff situation where you pick your rig before the race. The only way this would be avoided is to have a totally seperate fleet.
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my vote goes with the Farr 3.7. Haviung seen it out in 30knts+ and being both trapezed and hiked I think it is a fantastic little boat. Should be a Y&Y test of it coming soon...
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Originally posted by Dan MPS

 the sail was amazingly fast though which was another problem because it then leeds into an 18 foot skiff situation where you pick your rig before the race. The only way this would be avoided is to have a totally seperate fleet.
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Or you say that you register what rig you sail at the beginning of the season and you can only change your rig once a season.
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Originally posted by Dan MPS

As far as i know, the small sail for the musto is still being trialed, and the date was moved back by the committe to the end of this year to evaluate the small sail. I was one of the first to sail with it when we first got it from hydes, and i believe it was still too powerful for a sailor of 60-70kg.  the sail was amazingly fast though which was another problem because it then leeds into an 18 foot skiff situation where you pick your rig before the race. The only way this would be avoided is to have a totally seperate fleet.



Thanks for the support Jeremy.

DanMPS,
I think you have successfully debunked the hype that a Standard Musto can be sailed by lightweights with that comment. I think I may have commented on the lightskiff thread with a similar conclusion. A narrow, easily driven hull + lightweight + small sail = low drag and very fast. Not the perfect combination for a youth trap trainer. You need slightly more wetted surface to provide a little more stability and slow things down a bit. It may not LOOK so cool, but getting around the course is a lot cooler than having your mast in the mud!


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2 fleets essentially like the 100.
We have 8.4 and 10.2 prizes....
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Originally posted by winging it

a single hnaded trapeze boat for the 65 - 80kg weight range?


That isn't a range for lightweights ... 80kgs is obese ... complete porkers ... almost ready for the bandit of all bandits the Phantom ...
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