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    Posted: 09 Mar 12 at 1:38pm
If you sail on a small pond, Falker burgees/flags aren't as sensitive as others - the wire makes them heavier and more suitable for large lake/sea sailing.
I prefer the RWO ones with a shaped lump on the counterbalance rather than the plastic triangle ones. Looks like Allen are also doing these now but more expensively (over a pound more at P&B than the RWO ones)

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The Faulkners last year only had a plastic cap thing on the top and a couple of times after a capsize I found the stick was fine but the flag and frame had come off. Before fitting on the mast epoxy the cap on made them last a much longer. I also use a low level mini hawk for upwind but prefer the mast head for downwind.
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The Falker fits the same clip as the Allen (Holt, or whatever it's branded now).
Not an issue on a Laser, you just tuck it down the top of the luff sleeve.
 
As far as longevity if left aloft. The Falker has a s/s wire frame that goes around the border of the fabric so may be a little hardier than the equivalent Allen (Holt) or RWO, but I think it would still end up shredded in the gales, if left up in the dinghy park after a season or two.
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On an asymmetric, I'm happy with sail tell-tales and cassette tape on the shrouds.... until the wind goes really light and fluky, then a masthead indicator (Hawk in my case) is very useful.

Those Falker flag/burgee/'things' look good for the price and shouldn't wear out if left aloft like the plastic ones.  I may do a trial switch next time my Hawk dies.  What sort of clip do they need?
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Given up with the masthead things, we got through them too quickly.
 
we now use wool on the shrouds just above head height. They catch the eye more easily as you don't have to move your head to see them. Probably not as true as the masthead ones with sufficient wind but you soon get used to how they fly..... In light wind the wool on the shroud is better IMO
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OMG!!!!!
Miss use of the word 'flag'
dfn flag =  piece of cloth, usually rectangular, of distinctive color and design, used as a symbol, standard, signal, or emblem.

Better description perhaps masthead wind direction indicator

dfn wind direction indicator = A device to indicate the direction from which the wind blows; an example is a weather vane.

perhaps we should shorten it to MHWDI  , but perhaps I'm going to stick with Burgee Smile


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OMG !!!!
Corruption everywhere it seems
Even in the niche area of masthead flags.
Is nothing sacred?
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You're right to a certain extent. A burgee is a 'flag' (of any shape) denoting a recreational boating club, or at least that's what Wikipedia says... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgee
We all cottoned on to what the original post meant by its context. Years ago many clubs (and some possibly some still do) had there own 'burgees' made as masthead wind indicators which is what we are talking about here. They would be triangular shaped for 'cruising' or rectangular to denote that you were participating in 'racing'. It seems that this corrupt use of term 'burgee' has become accepted, not least in that they are marketed as such!
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I hate to be a pedant but I am going to be. WinkDont you mean racing flag. I always thought a burgee wasa triangular flag flown at the top of the mast to indicate what club you came from. Whereas a square flag was hoisted instead to indicate to others that you were racing and may be they may give you a wide berth so as not to spoil your chances. They didnt have to of course.

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Originally posted by alan.fuller

Originally posted by laserboy

i like the falker ones with the full wire frame


 
I like them too.


Edited by Andymac - 17 Jul 11 at 7:37am
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