Best Burgee
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Topic: Best Burgee
Posted By: timeintheboat
Subject: Best Burgee
Date Posted: 28 Sep 07 at 1:03pm
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Always saving my best capsizes for shallow water - I get through a small number of burgees each year - and they ain't cheap for what they are (£6.00+). I've tries without them but inland down wind it can be hard to work out what is going on without one. I current use the Holt ones - but with the plastic support (at right angles to the) metal stick - they are quite fragile. I'm seriously thinking of making my own. How many do you get through? What do you use at the top of the mast? ------------- Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else |
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Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 28 Sep 07 at 2:22pm
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Six so far this season, sacrificed to heavy birds landing on them and sliding the flag down the pole (Well it's that or the faries!) then they blow away in the next gale. None lost to capsizes. ------------- |
Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 28 Sep 07 at 3:34pm
| Go to your nearest sail loft and ask for a couple of sq metres of spinny cloth- bend the metal back into shape, replace cloth and one more burgee! It's alot cheaper than x years worth of new burgees! |
Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 28 Sep 07 at 4:47pm
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It's the plastic that goes, then the flag won't stay where it's put on the metal. ------------- |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 28 Sep 07 at 5:38pm
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Use feathers in place of ripstop that degrades in UV. Stick 'em to where the flag goes and your back in business.
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Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 28 Sep 07 at 6:40pm
| Depending on the boat you could screw your burgee mount onto the mainsail headboard, then at least it's easily replaced, and can be stored out of the sun. The problem is you can do a right annoying thing and get the burgee snagged between the mast and halyard where it promptly knackers itself. |
Posted By: 121NCH
Date Posted: 20 Oct 07 at 12:31pm
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Be thankful you arent killing a windex every time. If you do repair your burgee, make sure it's balanced once done or it'll read differently once heeled.
G. |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 20 Oct 07 at 2:23pm
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what boat do you sail? different burgees work better in different boats. personally i dont use one at all in double handers and only use a wind indicator on the front of the mast in single handers, again i rarely use it, its far more effective to keep an eye on the tell tales ------------- |
Posted By: laserboy
Date Posted: 15 Nov 07 at 8:15pm
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i like the falker ones with the full wire frame |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 15 Nov 07 at 10:46pm
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my dad managed to get a piece of wire to replace the metal rod holding the burgee onto the mast. if i ever capsize or bend the burgee (normally whilst trying to get it on to the mast) then i just take it home and pour some boiling water on to the rod and it straightens itself back to the original shape. not sure where you would get these from as he is a chemical engineer and so has access to this type of thing. surely there would be somewhere on the interent where you can get these. they might be expensive but it theoretically lasts forever. tom ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 16 Nov 07 at 10:06am
Cripes, your Dad is onto something there. Check it out sir, check it out.
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Posted By: ptcruiser
Date Posted: 16 Nov 07 at 10:42am
Sounds like the same metal they make some glasses from these days - 'memory metal'. |
Posted By: ColH
Date Posted: 16 Nov 07 at 5:49pm
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witchcraft.!! ------------- |
Posted By: A Seabadger
Date Posted: 16 Nov 07 at 10:23pm
We buy a "job lot" in Guildford Marine's sale twice a year. 20% off. Sailing on a shallow pond we get through a lot of burgees in a year - of course it would help if we just sailed our boats the right way up!  ------------- I don't suffer from insanity...I enjoy every moment of it. |
Posted By: alan.fuller
Date Posted: 09 Jul 11 at 3:30pm
http://www.falkerburgee.co.uk - http://www.falkerburgee.co.uk ------------- Phantom 1228 |
Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 17 Jul 11 at 7:34am
I like them too.
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Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 17 Jul 11 at 9:09pm
I hate to be a pedant but I am going to be. Dont you mean racing flag. I always thought a burgee wasa triangular flag flown at the top of the mast to indicate what club you came from. Whereas a square flag was hoisted instead to indicate to others that you were racing and may be they may give you a wide berth so as not to spoil your chances. They didnt have to of course.
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Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 17 Jul 11 at 11:39pm
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You're right to a certain extent. A burgee is a 'flag' (of any shape) denoting a recreational boating club, or at least that's what Wikipedia says... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgee - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgee
We all cottoned on to what the original post meant by its context. Years ago many clubs (and some possibly some still do) had there own 'burgees' made as masthead wind indicators which is what we are talking about here. They would be triangular shaped for 'cruising' or rectangular to denote that you were participating in 'racing'. It seems that this corrupt use of term 'burgee' has become accepted, not least in that they are marketed as such!
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Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 9:51am
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OMG !!!! Corruption everywhere it seems Even in the niche area of masthead flags. Is nothing sacred? |
Posted By: alan.fuller
Date Posted: 08 Mar 12 at 5:40pm
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OMG!!!!! Miss use of the word 'flag' dfn flag = piece of cloth, usually rectangular, of distinctive color and design, used as a symbol, standard, signal, or emblem. Better description perhaps masthead wind direction indicator dfn wind direction indicator = A device to indicate the direction from which the wind blows; an example is a weather vane. perhaps we should shorten it to MHWDI , but perhaps I'm going to stick with Burgee
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 Mar 12 at 6:38pm
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Given up with the masthead things, we got through them too quickly.
we now use wool on the shrouds just above head height. They catch the eye more easily as you don't have to move your head to see them. Probably not as true as the masthead ones with sufficient wind but you soon get used to how they fly..... In light wind the wool on the shroud is better IMO
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 09 Mar 12 at 10:26am
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On an asymmetric, I'm happy with sail tell-tales and cassette tape on the shrouds.... until the wind goes really light and fluky, then a masthead indicator (Hawk in my case) is very useful. Those Falker flag/burgee/'things' look good for the price and shouldn't wear out if left aloft like the plastic ones. I may do a trial switch next time my Hawk dies. What sort of clip do they need? ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 09 Mar 12 at 11:24am
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The Falker fits the same clip as the Allen (Holt, or whatever it's branded now). Not an issue on a Laser, you just tuck it down the top of the luff sleeve. As far as longevity if left aloft. The Falker has a s/s wire frame that goes around the border of the fabric so may be a little hardier than the equivalent Allen (Holt) or RWO, but I think it would still end up shredded in the gales, if left up in the dinghy park after a season or two.
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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 09 Mar 12 at 11:58am
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The Faulkners last year only had a plastic cap thing on the top and a couple of times after a capsize I found the stick was fine but the flag and frame had come off. Before fitting on the mast epoxy the cap on made them last a much longer. I also use a low level mini hawk for upwind but prefer the mast head for downwind.
Regards Gordon ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 09 Mar 12 at 1:38pm
| If you sail on a small pond, Falker burgees/flags aren't as sensitive as others - the wire makes them heavier and more suitable for large lake/sea sailing. I prefer the RWO ones with a shaped lump on the counterbalance rather than the plastic triangle ones. Looks like Allen are also doing these now but more expensively (over a pound more at P&B than the RWO ones) |