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    Posted: 04 Dec 10 at 6:04pm
SMODWatch 2010.
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Barely worth bothering, with the sales generally dropping for two handed Adult classes. RS200 is still healthy, if way down, RS400, in spite of what looked like deep trouble a few years ago still seems to be doing viable numbers, and the 800 doesn't look as if it will drop off its perch this year (Oh and healthy numbers of RS500s). Apart from that...

Interesting to see that the Solo is still way up in the popularity stakes: if you discount the RS100 sales (and the RS300 sold more over 4 times as many boats in its first two seasons than it has since) then its the most popular Adult pure racing class by a mile. (Oh and discount Laser numbers - their published numbers aren't useful for this exercise).
The numbers these days are in slow, pretty much non racing boats, probably thermoplastic and probably youth classes. I don't know what we need to do to turn round the sport but its not encouraging.



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Originally posted by JimC

SMODWatch 2010.
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Barely worth bothering, with the sales generally dropping for two handed Adult classes. RS200 is still healthy, if way down, RS400, in spite of what looked like deep trouble a few years ago still seems to be doing viable numbers, and the 800 doesn't look as if it will drop off its perch this year (Oh and healthy numbers of RS500s). Apart from that...

Interesting to see that the Solo is still way up in the popularity stakes: if you discount the RS100 sales (and the RS300 sold more over 4 times as many boats in its first two seasons than it has since) then its the most popular Adult pure racing class by a mile. (Oh and discount Laser numbers - their published numbers aren't useful for this exercise).
The numbers these days are in slow, pretty much non racing boats, probably thermoplastic and probably youth classes. I don't know what we need to do to turn round the sport but its not encouraging.



Don't get too "cup half empty yet there fella, a great many of those sailing those roto-moulded starter boats will hopefully choose to 'upgrade' at some point....
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Originally posted by getafix

Don't get too "cup half empty yet there fella, a great many of those sailing those roto-moulded starter boats will hopefully choose to 'upgrade' at some point....
 
I'm not convinced that many of them are bought by end-users, and I doubt that many of the few that are bought by end-users are bought by end-users who are committed to sailing for any significant period of time.  Still, it appears that my cup ne'er overfloweth too.
 
I'm curious as to why Jim has chosen SMODWatch and not AllDinghyClassesWatch.   I know it's not because SMODs are the only ones worth talking about!
 
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Originally posted by MikeBz

I'm curious as to why Jim has chosen SMODWatch and not AllDinghyClassesWatch.


Because that was what I started with five years ago...

I keep a spreadsheet with some of the Class Stats. Seeing what's happening as refers to numbers makes some of the spin put on it by the associations rather amusing. However this is practised by everyone, and some of the worst offenders are not the SMOD classes.


*If* I remember correctly what kicked me off was a whole lot of propaganda from certain SMOD enthusiasts that the SMOD model was the future of racing classes, and then looking at the stats and seeing the data didn't support the theory...

As that's now pretty much obvious to anyone after nearly all the late 90s SMOD classes have descended to Davy Jones maybe the point of doing it has gone. This year's version has certainly caused far less comment than previous ones and I've figured its not worth repeating.

As for choice of classes, back then two handed performance boats were what I sailed, so that was what I was interested in. I'm not sufficiently bothered to do an analysis of every class in my own time unpaid.

Perhaps the big lesson that comes into this numbers now is that if we established sailors and clubs want to stay as a healthy sport then we have to do a damn sight more to reach out to the people who buy these boats. Too often there's a condescending "not a proper boat" attitude, bt all these boats are doing is replacing the entry level one designs of the past.


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The entry level boats of the past also had "not a proper boat" said about them - plywood wasn't a proper boat building material post war or GRP in the 1960's.
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Originally posted by JimC

*If* I remember correctly what kicked me off was a whole lot of propaganda from certain SMOD enthusiasts that the SMOD model was the future of racing classes, and then looking at the stats and seeing the data didn't support the theory...

As that's now pretty much obvious to anyone after nearly all the late 90s SMOD classes have descended to Davy Jones maybe the point of doing it has gone..
 
But if (and it is an if) the SMODs which have gone to DJ's locker have been replaced  by other newer SMODs then surely the SMOD model continues unabated?  I'm not saying this good thing BTW...
 
Plenty of ODs which allow more than one builder have become virtual SMODs hull-wise (even the non-OD Merlin),  I'm not convinced that this is healthy as it leads to a mass churn within the class when the 'preferred' builder changes in a similar fashion to the mass churn from a dying SMOD to the next SMOD - whether the class name changes or not is it really any different?  Or maybe I'm just rambling now!
 
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Originally posted by MikeBz

But if (and it is an if) the SMODs which have gone to DJ's locker have been replaced  by other newer SMODs then surely the SMOD model continues unabated?

If they had been yes then it would have, but by and large they haven't been. That's one of the things that's interesting when you look at the numbers.

Originally posted by MikeBz

whether the class name changes or not is it really any different? 


I think for the 80% of sailors who don't think they're going to be in the frame for winning the Champs it makes a diifference, because there's still a class association to organise races, promote the class etc etc and there isn't the sense of slow despair that lingers around a dying class. And if my outdated boat is even as much as 5% off the pace in boat speed, which would be pretty much unbelievable as Merlin and N12 PYs have decreased less than 3% in the last 40 years, then if with a new one I was going to be placed say about 20% places back from the winner then with an old one I'd still be about halfway up the fleet even if everyone else had bought new boats. In practice of course they wouldn't have.
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Originally posted by JimC

 ... there isn't the sense of slow despair that lingers around a dying class.
 
I think today's 'culture' means there isn't any despair (let alone slow despair) - plenty of people are happy to, and indeed keen to, move on to the next new thing every few years.  Maybe we're seeing a bit of a backlash against that with the revival of some of the more traditional ODs, which is good IMO but then I'm getting old and thus I rail against the everything's-disposable culture.
 
And if my outdated boat is even as much as 5% off the pace in boat speed, which would be pretty much unbelievable as Merlin and N12 PYs have decreased less than 3% in the last 40 years...
 
I'd bet my house that if you put a 40 year old Merlin or N12 on a course against a current version, sailed by similarly talented crews, then you'd see considerably more than a 3% difference, so I don't think the yardstick is a good, er, yardstick in that way.  Not that I disagree with your overall point.
 
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Yardsticks have got faster over the years - the Enterprise is a faster boat now than 40 years ago, yet has a totally stable handicap.
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