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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Yardsticks have got faster over the years - the Enterprise is a faster boat now than 40 years ago, yet has a totally stable handicap.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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MikeBz ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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I think today's 'culture' means there isn't any despair (let alone slow despair) - plenty of people are happy to, and indeed keen to, move on to the next new thing every few years. Maybe we're seeing a bit of a backlash against that with the revival of some of the more traditional ODs, which is good IMO but then I'm getting old and thus I rail against the everything's-disposable culture.
I'd bet my house that if you put a 40 year old Merlin or N12 on a course against a current version, sailed by similarly talented crews, then you'd see considerably more than a 3% difference, so I don't think the yardstick is a good, er, yardstick in that way. Not that I disagree with your overall point.
Mike
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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If they had been yes then it would have, but by and large they haven't been. That's one of the things that's interesting when you look at the numbers.
I think for the 80% of sailors who don't think they're going to be in the frame for winning the Champs it makes a diifference, because there's still a class association to organise races, promote the class etc etc and there isn't the sense of slow despair that lingers around a dying class. And if my outdated boat is even as much as 5% off the pace in boat speed, which would be pretty much unbelievable as Merlin and N12 PYs have decreased less than 3% in the last 40 years, then if with a new one I was going to be placed say about 20% places back from the winner then with an old one I'd still be about halfway up the fleet even if everyone else had bought new boats. In practice of course they wouldn't have. |
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MikeBz ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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But if (and it is an if) the SMODs which have gone to DJ's locker have been replaced by other newer SMODs then surely the SMOD model continues unabated? I'm not saying this good thing BTW...
Plenty of ODs which allow more than one builder have become virtual SMODs hull-wise (even the non-OD Merlin), I'm not convinced that this is healthy as it leads to a mass churn within the class when the 'preferred' builder changes in a similar fashion to the mass churn from a dying SMOD to the next SMOD - whether the class name changes or not is it really any different? Or maybe I'm just rambling now!
Mike
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The entry level boats of the past also had "not a proper boat" said about them - plywood wasn't a proper boat building material post war or GRP in the 1960's.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Because that was what I started with five years ago...
*If* I remember correctly what kicked me off was a whole lot of propaganda from certain SMOD enthusiasts that the SMOD model was the future of racing classes, and then looking at the stats and seeing the data didn't support the theory... As that's now pretty much obvious to anyone after nearly all the late 90s SMOD classes have descended to Davy Jones maybe the point of doing it has gone. This year's version has certainly caused far less comment than previous ones and I've figured its not worth repeating. As for choice of classes, back then two handed performance boats were what I sailed, so that was what I was interested in. I'm not sufficiently bothered to do an analysis of every class in my own time unpaid. Perhaps the big lesson that comes into this numbers now is that if we established sailors and clubs want to stay as a healthy sport then we have to do a damn sight more to reach out to the people who buy these boats. Too often there's a condescending "not a proper boat" attitude, bt all these boats are doing is replacing the entry level one designs of the past. Edited by JimC - 15 Dec 10 at 6:10pm |
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MikeBz ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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I'm not convinced that many of them are bought by end-users, and I doubt that many of the few that are bought by end-users are bought by end-users who are committed to sailing for any significant period of time. Still, it appears that my cup ne'er overfloweth too.
I'm curious as to why Jim has chosen SMODWatch and not AllDinghyClassesWatch. I know it's not because SMODs are the only ones worth talking about!
Mike
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Don't get too "cup half empty yet there fella, a great many of those sailing those roto-moulded starter boats will hopefully choose to 'upgrade' at some point.... |
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SMODWatch 2010.
=============== Barely worth bothering, with the sales generally dropping for two handed Adult classes. RS200 is still healthy, if way down, RS400, in spite of what looked like deep trouble a few years ago still seems to be doing viable numbers, and the 800 doesn't look as if it will drop off its perch this year (Oh and healthy numbers of RS500s). Apart from that... Interesting to see that the Solo is still way up in the popularity stakes: if you discount the RS100 sales (and the RS300 sold more over 4 times as many boats in its first two seasons than it has since) then its the most popular Adult pure racing class by a mile. (Oh and discount Laser numbers - their published numbers aren't useful for this exercise). The numbers these days are in slow, pretty much non racing boats, probably thermoplastic and probably youth classes. I don't know what we need to do to turn round the sport but its not encouraging. Edited by JimC - 04 Dec 10 at 6:05pm |
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Andymac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Apr 07 Location: Derbyshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 852 |
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Well, Will Mason is the lucky winner of F4000 this weekend. See latest news.... The last Firefly mag (you must have a copy Rupert...you're the new editor!) had an article on the Wilson trophy which listed a number of flights which have gone to universities (primarily for team racing I would assume). They included F4001 - F4013 if I remember rightly. I don't think it matters ultimately what use boats are put too as long as they are being 'sailed'. I would guess the number of new Fireflys in 2009 going to Universities would outnumber those to private owners by around 10:1. |
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