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    Posted: 02 Dec 10 at 5:51pm
Thorpe Bay run W-L for assymetrics. Which is nice. It's quite fun on the longer races too- the Nore race was an utter blast this year, though along the Sheppey/Medway mouth leg we really were glad of the weight we carry- we were able to drive really, really hard on the 2-sail reach over the chop.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

If ever a boat needed bringing up to date and that stupid kite bag ditching.
After about 3 sails I found the bag kite on our 5k just as quick and easy as a chute kite to drop. Admittedly it's a bit more of a pain to hoist as the helm has to pull a bit of a string, which wouldn't be an issue if the helm did the halyard as that runs really smooth, unfortunately we see to be set up for the crew to do the halyard.

Bag kites shouldn't be a put off for a boat, they have their pros and cons. Some of the pros being; Super smooth halyard hoist (seriously, hoisting a dry kite out of a bag is like pulling line of the reel and the chandlery!), never having to shimmy down to the bow to sort out a kite that wont go in/come out of the chute and not having a big wet lump weighing the bow down.
However they do mean the helm has to pull some string on the hoist (although a few chute boats have that as well) and they are pain when you capsize as you have to stuff the kite back in the bag with the boat on its side.
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The B14 handles chop quite well considering its relatively short length, also it does have a largeish bow and pleanty of rocker so it keeps its nose up.

Bag hoists and drops are easy, we can get the kite up far quicker than most sock hoists at club level and drops can be far quicker as well.
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and remember it doesnt have all that we kite sitting in a chute on the bow pushing the nose down
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Menace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Dec 10 at 9:49pm
Have you considered an International 14 as well as a B14, just asking as when we were looking at boats a while back we were considering the B14, RS800 and I14 within the same selection group. Ended up saying f%ck it and bought a 49er instead as it was the best boat sailing wise from our point of view. Moral to the story, try before you buy.
 
Just mentioned the I14 as it's challenging but forgiving and a good sea boat with the T-foil on the back. You may prefer the B14 as the T-foil isn't everyones cup of tea. For a direct comparison between the 29er and B14, I'd bully Al into getting out in his boat.
 
What's better? B14 or 29er? There's only one way to find out.... F-I-G-H-T!!!!
 
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Well there's an old 96 I14 up for sale fairly cheap, or a more modern one with retrofitted T-foils which must be 2003-5 for a bit more... the first wouldn't be competitive on any level I fear, and the latter would be a bit too much of a handful for me at the moment i reckon. I may just have to badger for a b14 try-out. With a 29er i'd be able to race against one other 29er. No more will arrive, I'd know if anyone was planning on getting one, and they aren't. The B14 there'd occasionally be another B14, there's a couple of MPSs of almost identical speed.

29er has a much better circuit, although that's not that important because I'm not all that serious as a racer, I'd do maybe 2 opens and the Nats tops. One of which at home... Likewise, B14 generally draws 11ish boats to events, not as many, but not to bad an issue.

29ers are a bit unstable, it always feels like the most important bit of going fast in them is staying upright. Don't know what B14 is like in that respect, shall have to try one out. 29er has trapeze, but i can sail a trapeze boat anyway, so no great educational loss. Hmmmmm decisions decisions decisions :)
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what about a nice cherub?
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I was surprised nobody had mentioned a cherub... what's the ideal crew weight? And how well do they cut through chop? And what sort of skill level is necessary?
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'However they do mean the helm has to pull some string on the hoist (although a few chute boats have that as well) and they are pain when you capsize as you have to stuff the kite back in the bag with the boat on its side'

...its a matter of personal choice but on the 5000 the helm does not necessarily have to hoist or do the pole....crew two pulls to get the pole half out, hoist and then pole fully out (leaves the helm to balance/steer etc). If you do capsize with the kite up ( I have practised this a lot...) best way is for the crew/helm on the board to reach over, pull the kite onto the foredeck using the sheet initially (possibly into bag), right the boat and then quickly get things sorted and away you go !...

On a general point I think bags are just as easy as chutes its just what you are used to....   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Menace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 10 at 5:29pm
On our old 5000, the helm never did anything hoist wise unless it was incredibly light. As Neil said, helm balances, steers, does the main, etc, etc. If the helm is concentrating on hoisting in the centre of the boat, usually leads to trouble in any wind. Get the crew to pull 2 strings, not too tricky and a lot less wet. You'll notice a big difference in anything above a force 4. 
 
Jaws, Cherub crew weight is somewhere between 120-135kg according to the Cherub guy at the boat show, although much heavier people do sail the boat. International 14 wise, wouldn't look at anything older than a Bieker 3 or a Morrison 11 and wouldn't go near a I-14 without a T-Foil, especially on the sea. We had a M12 for a while and it was a fairly easy boat to get on with. The newer I-14s are much easier to sail than the old ones in my opinion. Saying that though, you would get a really good B14 for the price of an okay I-14 and the B14 is a lot less hassle and just as rewarding a boat to sail. The B14 is a fair bit quicker than a Cherub also, anytime I've seen a Cherub sail well, they've sailed to their handicap mixing it with Laser 4000s and RS400s. Have you thought of a Laser 4000, good sea boat, reasonable class, cheap and as good, if not better performance than the 29er and Cherub? B14 is at another level of performance to the 29er but not necesarily that much higher skill level for you to master, try to get an Ovi B14 if you go for one. 
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