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    Posted: 19 Aug 10 at 10:50pm

Originally posted by MattHarris

How good is the Scorpian at weight carrying,.

In answer to your question - Very good (within reason of course). Considering it is a light boat at 81kg the competitive crew weight range is very big. The nationals have been won by anything ranging from 20 stone to 26 stone in recent years and that is not just a sign of the winds, we won a light wind nationals in abersoch 2 years ago with 25 stone in the boat.

Other people race them with more but struggle a bit when it is lighter. Most people are around the 22 / 23 stone mark for combined weight.

How much are you looking to spend? Am happy to try and suggest some good options if we have a ballpark to aim for. Easiest thing may be to pm me and can see what's around...

 
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Take a look at the Scorpion website. Really useful information on there....
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How good is the Scorpian at weight carrying, i saw one on the lake recently and it looked quite a nice boat.  If i can get one within my price range i could be tempted.
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As an ex-Southport member, I'd say your only sensible option is the GP. The best boats for the lake have always been the Graduates and the GPs. Most newer designs have longer boards and its just not worth sailing around with your board 1/3up. I believe that RS400s and B14s have been sailed on the lake but not sure how they went. It might be worth talking to the Hiveys over at West Lancs. They used to be members of Soutport many moons ago in the Grad fleet but Daves been doing well in RS200s and RS400s lately and may have sailed them on the marine lake at some point.
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Originally posted by Hector

Get a GP - and learn off the guy who's quite good (He'll probably be pleased to help). Don't search around for something that no-one else sails at your club.

 If you want to win because of a dodgy handicap - take up golf.

I've done enough 24hr races to think the GP h/cap is only very slightly more favourable than the Enterprise - but not very much and Ents certainly can have their day.



Hector got this one right on page 1! Also, you'll be too heavy for an Ent. Their ideal weight is about 21 stone. The ideal weight for a GP is 22-23 stone, but you'll get away with a couple more.

Go and get a £1500 GP. A well-maintained series 1 will be 99% as good as a series 2 around southport marine lake, and by regularly sailing against a crew who are slightly better than you, it will give you a target to aim at and accelerate your learning curve.

That's if you are interested in improving. Not everyone is, which is fair enough. If you're not interested in improving, then just get anything, get on the water and have fun.
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I know i'm biased but a word in favour of the scorpion... First off, the top 3 at the nationals ranged from 21 to 26 stone,so no worries on the weight front.

On the price front, if you wanted to win the nationals then i would say a new boat is the way forward but we had boats 20 years old winning races at this years nationals and £1,500 will get you a boat capable of winning opens.

Oh yeah, regulations on centreboard and rudder are open (within reason) so no qualms about shorter blades for southport if necessary..

The boat is light, responsive, fits all your requirements and is fun to sail...

If you wnat any more info / have any more questions feel free to send me a message...

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Well National 12s are good boats however very unstable and
wouldn't carry 24 stone very well.

I would suggest a Kestrel if you can find one cheap enough
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Why don't you buy an Ent and join the club 50yards away and have
class racing??
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When I have visited Southport for the 24 hour, (see you next month) I have often thought how well a Taser would sail there. If others are not familiar with the lake it is a good size, next to the sea, so flat water and often very good blows! Depth is a problem but Tasers sail quite ok on part board. The only problem that I can see is smacking the slightly fragile mast on the bottom. I can just visualise howling past Southport Sailing Club with the wind off Matalan..............
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Originally posted by Hector

How / where do the RYA 'officially approve of the handicap adjustments published for the Merlin' ?

I think he's slightly over stating that. The Merlin is one of the asterisked classes in the list, which is:
* Development classes where the Portsmouth Number is likely to vary depending on the age and design of the boats

However I don't know that the actual numbers suggested by the class are approved by the RYA.
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