Topper Spice

   I must agree with you on that one Tim, a UK rules cherub hull is 50kg, a spice bare hull is 80kg! thats without any of that metal and plastic, masts, foils etc! And now being turbo charged, it can reel in a 49er easy. 
Im moving back to cherubs now after a stint in the 49er, feeling its not as fun to sail as a cherub!
Andy
This is my old cheurb, a twin wire, 04 rules boat - WAY more fun than plastic!

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andy_cherub Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 768	Post Options Post Reply Quote andy_cherub Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Topper Spice Posted: 16 Mar 05 at 1:30pm
	I must agree with you on that one Tim, a UK rules cherub hull is 50kg, a spice bare hull is 80kg! thats without any of that metal and plastic, masts, foils etc! And now being turbo charged, it can reel in a 49er easy. Im moving back to cherubs now after a stint in the 49er, feeling its not as fun to sail as a cherub! Andy This is my old cheurb, a twin wire, 04 rules boat - WAY more fun than plastic!

timnoyce Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Aug 04 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991	Post Options Post Reply Quote timnoyce Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Mar 05 at 1:20pm
	I used to be really interested in Topper Spice's but after having been sailing for a few years i have still never seen one on the water. Seems a bit of a shame really as they look like quite fun boats to sail... shame about their weight! If it was more cherub weight it would be a real pocket rocket! Talking of cherubs... i thought i'd include a photo of the first new rules cherub to hit the water. Just wait and see how fast they are downwind in a 5 or 6
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Wave Rider Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 909	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wave Rider Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Mar 05 at 11:27am
	Cool ooks good i wolud like a go on one of them because lots of the other twin wire boats look very difficult to control !
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	In fact here a good pic of us racing last year in a force 6 good fun!
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ssailor Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 11 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 430	Post Options Post Reply Quote ssailor Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Mar 05 at 10:28am
	Last year I raced a spoce for the whole season, why the PN is as low as the iso is down to its weight and thus its performance in light winds. It is hard to get the kite work decently in light light winds and due to its weight can get beaten by vareos etc. In anything above a 3 it starts to perform and when your in anything above a 4 it will plane upwind! The boat is blindingly quick in a 5-7 as long as you can sail it properly, we were at the welsh sailing games in a 7 + and were going as fast as the 420s upwind, we then decided to bear off the wind slightly and doubled our speed if not more!! Any one who is looking to move from a single wire boat to a twin wire boat then the spice is an excellent boat, its a pity it didnt take off properly!
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redback Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502	Post Options Post Reply Quote redback Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 Mar 05 at 10:42pm
	Yes I Thought the Spice was a twin wire Buz. But I had a close look at the Dinghy Show and the hull molding is different. There were some very helpful and enthusiastic people on both stands and I get the feeling they are underated boats but they are both not big in the sail area department whereas the ISO carries quite a bit of sail. So I'm not surprised at the PYs.

carshalton fc Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 26 Jan 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 2337	Post Options Post Reply Quote carshalton fc Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 Mar 05 at 9:13pm
	the spice hasnt got that much sail area tho!!!!1
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jamesint505 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 18 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 75	Post Options Post Reply Quote jamesint505 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 Mar 05 at 8:56pm
	I dont know last time i sailed an iso it seemed pretty fast .we were even planing upwind though i am over sixteen stone and was crewing so that might have helped the righting moment .didnt point just stood on my tiptoes and got the thing flying .then the rudder broke!!!
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carshalton fc Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 26 Jan 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 2337	Post Options Post Reply Quote carshalton fc Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 Mar 05 at 8:51pm
	the spice is just a twin trapez buzz to put it simply!!
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Wave Rider Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 909	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wave Rider Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 Mar 05 at 8:32pm
	I was looking at a site and randomly looking at Topper Spice and Iso and i noticed that the spice PN is 920 and the ISO is 926. The Spice has a double Trapeze therefore surely has more sail area so how the hell can there only be a diffrence of 6....................an ISO isnt a massively fast boat but normally a twin wire would be quite fast so..............??????????
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