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    Posted: 26 Nov 07 at 12:55pm

Its quite hard to think of an industry which one compare the dinghy industry to.  Cars, for example, have a design life span of about 15 years (with a few mid year styling tweaks) before being replaced.  However, people don't (generally) race cars, so being part of a fleet is of less importance (okay popular cars are easier to sell second hand, but no one buys a Focus just because there are lots of others).

 
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Originally posted by JimC

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For all the SMOD revolution was supposed to have damaged the traditional classes, I note that Fireball and 505 outsold every adult SMOD trapeze boat with the possible exception of the 49er...

Not quite sure how much I believe the figure of 25 new 505s in the UK. 70% of the nationals fleet replaced in one year? Hmmmmm.

Looking at sail numbers at the nats:

2006 2007
7544 888  (sic)
8234 7852
8378 8331
8435 8408
8490 8429
8497 8474
8514 8497
8526 8514
8568 8532
8650 8542
8678 8552
8694 8591
8701 8678
8726 8685
8741 8690
8743 8694
8749 8701
8773 8749
8774 8774
8834 8780
8835 8835
8836 8860
8860 8881
8869 8882
8880 8885
8881 8905
8882 8906
8885 8907
8905 8909
8907 8935
8908
8909
8914

So, 25 new boats in the UK, and only one shows up to the nats?...

25 new boats worldwide I could just about believe. 25 sail numbers issued to builders (but all said boats not necessarily built yet) I can easily believe.

 



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Originally posted by charlie1019

Ovi seem to now be dealing with the Byte CII

No seems about it, boats have been ordered at least one built probably more haven't seen Dave or Chris for a while!
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Definitely 4 built. A friend of mine took delivery of hers around a month ago and they had 3 more on the wagon to deliver!

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Originally posted by Chew my RS

B14 which was also dropped by LDC

B14 was not "dropped" by LDC... we changed builders to a much superior yard.
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Plus, it was first launched (though not in the UK, I'll admit) well over fifteen years ago- the B14 is a child of the eighties, not that you'd know to look at it.
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Originally posted by G.R.F

Well there's the boat register,

Mate, if you want to do a better job feel free. My little annual post I do on my terms and my rules, and they include doing it solely based on the incomplete data in the RCR.
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There could be any number of boats he left off GRF, so dont feel as if its a personal attack against you.

Originally posted by G.R.F

but they did get over 30 at the nationals
and they've only been available this past year.


Only available for a year .. That may also be a good argument against your point. There will be no accurate data for him to go on, so it wont be included for that reason.

I can think of many doublehanded, racing classes off the top of my head .. Many of the more succesful than the 500 ...

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420
470
Mirror
Laser 2000

And from what I have seen Mr Windsurfing God, you dont even like your 500! If you dont like the way something is done ( Totally voluntarily I beleive ) then do it yourself.

Stop bitching. Its getting boring now.

(ps: RCR = "Racing Classes Register" I think )
(pps: Keep up the good work JimC )
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DO the BMIF or anyone collect data on boat sales?  Jim's analysis is really interesting, but by his own admission uses a limited source of info.  I think a detailed analysis of the way the dinghy market has change over the last 40 years (and will continue to change) would be a fascinating Masters project.
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"Do the BMIF or anyone collect data on boat sales?"  - hard to get this data, it's almost always skued by manufacturers and boat-builders who will list orders taken but not delivered as "new boats built in 2xxx" to try and inflate their numbers.  The RCR asks the class associatations but as this thread proves, they are sometimes a little optimistic or use a metric like build plates issued which isn't always accurate.

... Its also quite hard to tell what the BMIF "do" in terms of the dinghy scene, IMO they're focused more on the yacht and motorboat market as these are the bigger revenue and employment generators
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