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    Posted: 14 Nov 09 at 10:06pm
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Originally posted by Rupert

Not quite sure why the Firefly didn't post build figures for the year.

They did post a "latest sail number", but as it was the same as last year's one I didn't take it very seriously!
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Originally posted by Wodman

Didn't the RYA publish figures a
couple of years ago stating that 80% of the countries dinghy sailors
never raced,    


I'd have to see that to believe it. If it said 80% of sailors then that would be
believable what with all the cruising yachties.
Or if 80% of dinghy Owners didn't race then that would explain all the
unused dinghys in dinghy parks across the country.
But 80% of active dinghy sailors not racing seems a bit hard to believe.

I'm surprised 20% race.

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Not quite sure why the Firefly didn't post build figures for the year. Admittedly the figures are so skewed by the team racing boats sold to unis they aren't a good guage of how the class is doing, but it would be good to know.
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Originally posted by Wodman

Didn't the RYA publish figures a
couple of years ago stating that 80% of the countries dinghy sailors
never raced,    


I'd have to see that to believe it. If it said 80% of sailors then that would be
believable what with all the cruising yachties.
Or if 80% of dinghy Owners didn't race then that would explain all the
unused dinghys in dinghy parks across the country.
But 80% of active dinghy sailors not racing seems a bit hard to believe.
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But that is surely part of the equation. RS Visions, L2000s, Wayfarers
are all boats which appeal to a broad band of sailors who want to just
get in a boat and go sailing/racing. Boats which need months or years
of practice to even get close to being competetive will only ever
appeal to a minority, not the majority. Didn't the RYA publish figures a
couple of years ago stating that 80% of the countries dinghy sailors
never raced, which suggests that it's the going sailing which appeals
as much as the hunt for adrenaline.   
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Originally posted by Mikey 14778

Why restrict yourself to SMODs though ?

I started writing it because of the perceived wisdom that SMODs were taking over the world. But as for including every class: too much work unless I'm being paid!

Looking at the numbers it seems to me that sales of adult racing classes are in decline. These are the top selling classes last year for there's reasonable data (I presume 350 Wayfarers sold last year is an error!) and figures for the same classes in 5 year intervals back to 1994. There are some interpolations and estimates in some of the older numbers BTW.

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Now I'm sure this was a bad year, but on the whole I think the trend is there... But there are suprises too... The Solo appears to be the top selling adult racing class. Maybe Solo sailors aren't all over 60 - in fact I know they aren't by seeing who turns up at our club opens...

Oh yes, Lasers/Radials/4.7s are off the list because the recent figures are pan European and all very confused...

Our racing at Island Barn tomorrow is open to Solos: come and blow the weeds out guys. I'll do my best to set an interesting course.

Oh the other thing that is very clear is that the serious money - or at least sales - are in budget rotomoulds and "family" cruising boats.

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Originally posted by alstorer

Um, Rick, that other guy that sales the Musto with you- he's not real. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
read the first line of what Jim wrote again... ...

Ah yes ... 2 person boats ... I could do with a crew at times

 

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Um, Rick, that other guy that sales the Musto with you- he's not real. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
read the first line of what Jim wrote again...

As for the ISO- I thought they were growing, but only in (oddly) Italy...

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Originally posted by JimC

SMODWatch 2009
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As before, just looking at two handed adult racing classes. I shall have to consider reworking this if I post again next year because there seem to be fewer and fewer such classes about...

Trends I observed in last year's post seem to have continued... In particular its striking and I think worrying how much dinghy sailing is tending to become a youth sport.

Rude health
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RS 500 82. I'm not sure whether this really counts as an adult class though.

Not a good year
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Well, it hasn't been a good year for lots of people, so I don't think we can read too much into this!

RS 200 36, previously averaging 75 a year
RS 400 7, whilst the caveats apply, maybe last year's recovery was just a blip and the class is past its peak.
RS 800 10, similar thoughts to RS400

Still kicking
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B14 - 4 (last year 5)
Tasar - allegedly 8, but the quoted last sail number is the same as last year's!

Still Nailed to the Perch
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Nah, I'm not going to list them, its too cruel, but basically all the others I've listed in the past:-)

Us, Keep Track?
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49er - no sales figure again.
29er - no sales figure again.

The boat nobody wanted
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29erXX - for all the fuss, proposals to put it in the Olmpics etc it sure looks as if the only people who seem to sail one are those who are loaned/given rigs for a 29er. It would be crazy of ISAF to put this class in the games.

Its interesting to note that after years of everything they touch turning to gold the last two Bethwaite classes have been flops. I guess no-one can get it right all the time...

Most Optimistic Writeup Claim of the year
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ISO - "this growing fleet". I happen to know that in the last two years we've cut up for the skip at my club as many ISOs as have been sold in the UK. Trading standards anyone?

Jim; you've missed the MPS off your analysis ... another good steady year ....can I say that here?



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