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    Posted: 07 Oct 07 at 5:45pm

Sure, but the pictures were posted initially to remind everyone about what we are discussing.  It is also to give a visual remiminder to the spectacle that Tornados bring to the games and catamarans and other mulithulls to the sport in general. It has not been off topic at all to have had pictures posted in this thread. So I will finish the picture postings with one from the US Olympic Trials that are going on right now at the SDYC.  I will post no more here. 

https://www.regattanetwork.com/ussailing/olympic_trials/tria ls.html

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So what is the news from todays meeting ?!?
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Stop Press

Read here: Today's UKCRA meeting with the RYA

 

I attended this afternoon's meeting with the RYA. Multihull classes were well respresented and our delegation was led by UKCRA chairman Nick Dewhirst.

 

Also present were: Catherlne Howland (Shearwater CA); John Alani (F16); Lee Davies (UKIDA); Graham Eeles (Tornado builder); Grant Piggott (F18); David Scarfe (Hobie); Chris Laming (Hobie parent); Brian Phipps (Windsport); Rob White and Reg White.

The RYA was represented by Eddie Ramsden (Council Chairman); John Derbyshire (Racing Manager/Performance Director) and Jon White (Sport Development Manager).

Observers included representatives of the 29er and 420s CAs.

Summary of main points:

1 RYA weclomes further input from UKCRA to put the case for cats to ISAF committee.

2  RYA proposed working group of staffers and cat sailors to consider development of sport of cat racing  from the grass roots upwards.

3.  RYA is unwilling to commit its vote at either ISAF senior or junior events in favour of multihulls despite doing so for dinghies. UKCRA warned of PR disaster if RYA failed to respresent cat racing.

4. Despite requests they were unwilling to withdraw either of their submissions.

UKCRA is planning to lobby ISAF directly to try to ensure a satisfactory outcome for catamaran sailing worldwide.

The representatives at today's meeting urge all cat sailors and supporters to maintain the vocal campaign to ensure that multihull sailing remains an olympic sport and receives its fair share of properly funded youth development.

Please continue signing the petition until 1 November.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jon Emmett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Oct 07 at 6:59pm
So the RYA just dug in...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Scooby_simon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Oct 07 at 7:33pm

Originally posted by Jon Emmett

So the RYA just dug in...

 

So the RYA just dug themselves a massive hole.......

 

They obviosly do consult, or care what result their actions cause.

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The following is the statement by the RYA on the Y&Y website posted on 4 October:

At its meeting at the Royal Thames Yacht Club yesterday (Wednesday 3 October) the RYA Council further discussed submissions from the RYA to the 2007 ISAF Conference relating to future events in both the ISAF World Youth Sailing Championships and the Olympic Games.

During the meeting, Chris Atkins, Chairman of the RYA Racing Committee, revisited the two submissions with the RYA Council in light of the recent strength of feeling expressed towards them by the UK catamaran community.

RYA Council maintains its belief that catamaran racing is an important part of the sport of sailing in the UK, and accepts that the intent of these submissions was not communicated as well as it could have been to relevant stakeholders within the UK sailing fraternity. It believes, nevertheless, that its submissions are important in order to initiate strategic discussions within ISAF, the body responsible for the global direction of the sport and the final arbiter on which events are included at the ISAF Youth World Championships and the Olympic Games.

Following its meeting, RYA Council resolved to amend its submission relating to future events at the ISAF Youth World Championships. RYA Council believes these Championships should be as inclusive as possible, commensurate with them providing a pathway for youth sailors into Olympic events. RYA Council therefore believes that both double-handed trapeze dinghy racing and skiff racing should both be included in the Championships as these are included in the Olympic regatta. Therefore the amended submission now advocates the following events:

Boy’s one person dinghy
Girl’s one person dinghy
Boy’s two person dinghy
Girl’s two person dinghy
Boy’s windsurfer
Girl’s windsurfer
Open Multihull
Open two person high performance dinghy

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At the meeting with UKCRA on 8 October the RYA have apparently refused to withdraw or modify either submission. So this statement (above) was pure propaganda and the RYA have NOT changed their position at all. How devious can you get?

 

Keep signing the petition folks.................

 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote hurricane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Oct 07 at 3:03am

If this is the case I think the Backlash thats about to happen will be huge,

so far i think the cat sailing community has been very well behaved in campaigning against the injustice that is the submissions. I will be interested to see how many people just belive the rya's propaganda machine or will listen to whats really going on...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stuart O Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Oct 07 at 9:01am
Perhaps the PR officer or other members from the RYA would like to clarify the RYAs position re the above....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Worthy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Oct 07 at 9:06am
Just back from holiday and have just caught up.  There is definitely something dodgy going on here.

Please would someone from the RYA clarify, we know you are looking at this forum with interest.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote catmandoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Oct 07 at 9:31am

Sounds like they are taking the p*ss to be blunt.

sounds like their consultation with the cat fraternity was only to prove they can consult , shame they can't hear !!!!!!!!

as " our " national organising body their percieved lack of desire to represent cat sailors needs despite our overwhelming protests is extremely concerning , if this situation continues to carry on , uk cat sailors need to unite and lobby isaf as UKCRA seem to be planning to do . We also as dinghy sailors as a whole have to consider the RYA and its place within UK dinghy sailing , I know its not just the cat sailors that are appalled at this behaviour and from what i hear the RYA have been less than diplomatic with others.

Lets not forget and its been said many times before , if you race a cat in the UK at present you are helping fund the RYA wether you like it or not.

 

How do we join UKCRA as individual members ???

 

Folk have mentioned the RYA dinghy show and cat sailings attendance , I've suggested an idea to others , why not drop it and cat sailing run its own , perhaps around a large multiclass cat regatta , like the Grafham event for example .

 

It could be run as the UKCRA Cat Championships Perhaps on a bank holiday weekend in a central location , and the "holi day " could be used for demos and visitors day .

 

 

Finaly , perhaps we have all got it wrong and the RYA have our best interests at heart and they will come up with a statement to prove that (and stick to it !) 

 

 

Perhaps pigs will fly .

 

 

 

 

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