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    Posted: 03 Oct 07 at 2:38pm
Hang on this is a forum ... I'm interested to learn more about the windsurfing gang... please point me in the right direction ...
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Think they have taken it to what olympic classes have to go
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The RYA's internal meeting on this issue was today.  It would be interesting to find out what comes out of it.
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I bet we can guess though!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Tornado_ALIVE

Originally posted by Jon Emmett

The fact remains it is far cheaper to fund a Laser/Radial campaign than a Tornado one!

You may be suprised.  The cost of the boat is a VERY small percentage of an Olympic campaign.

 

As for boat $$$$

How may lasers will you need to by over a 4 to 8 year campaign and what are there resale values afterwards.  Now compare that to a Tornado which has an International life span of 10 yrs.

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Thank you for making this point.  Many people concieve that the cost of a boat is what is expensive in an Olympic campaign.  It is the campaign itself that is expensive.  There are inherent costs to some classes over others that do increase the cost, Tornados, Stars, Ynlings amongst them.  Each of these boats in race configuration are expensive, but a Laser from this campaign will be replaced once if not twicw prior to the next campaign.  Ask Laser sailors about spending days sorting through hulls, masts, booms, rudders, sails and daggerboards to find the best out of maybe 100 boats.  I have witnessed this process before with a group of top sailors doing just this.  If you buy a marstrom tornado, that is what you get.  You do not go over and sort through boats looking for the right one.  You buy one, buy spare blades and so-on and Goran sends you one.  An active life for a racing torando is 8-12 years.  I do not know what it is for a Star.

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Originally posted by catmandoo

"Out of chaos comes order." Nietzche "

 

RYA has created it , we can form the new "order"

 

Sign me up !

A UK cat sailing association could be the focus we all need , I'm sure it wouldn't cost much and I'm sure manufacturers/importers would be more than happy to support such a body

Look at Rick White's and Mary Well's catsailor.com and the Australian catsailor.net.  They both are good forums for stinmulating ideas, promoting cat sailing and getting the community working together.

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The RYA will state no doubt that cat sailors have done nothing to help themselves through lack of training etc. Members of this forum will counter that with examples of training given by class associations and clubs. Training should not just be for the elite. The RYA has kept quiet about various budgets it has available for class associations do do training, Money it has no doubt, (IMO), used in other ways.

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In some ways cat-sailors have done this to themselves.  We have a great thread on this topic running on catsailor.com.  One of the issues that needs to be dealt with is a clear path to the olympics on catamarans.  Entry level: F12, Hobie Wave, Misty or a similar vehicle, Mid Level, Hobie 16, SL16, F16, Top Level F18, Hobie Tiger, FX-One, A-Class, to Tornado or other Olympic multihull.  Consistant sailor-parent invovlement in youth development.  Finding builder, corporate sponser, backing, investment and development.  In the US a builder such as Vanguard that has plenty of experience with this type of development on the monohull side of things with boats such as the 420, Laser and FJ.  Reg White and his company which I believe to be Stealth marine would be a good candidate for being approached.  So it goes back to catsailors getting together, finding a common voice and getting the youth program coordinated on a worldwide basis so that organizations such USSailing and the RYA cannot state that the infrastructure, training and development do not exist.  So speak up, get involved and put your action where your mouth is.  If not you will be pushed aside and catsailing in the Olympics will dissappear.  If not in 2012 it will be gone by 2016.  It is now a put-up or shut-up issue and the time to put-up is now!  Thank you for the forum in which to speak.

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Originally posted by Jon Emmett

or maybe we should start looking out for pigs in the sky....

I see that you yourself are in the middle of an Olympic campaign, and if I read you correctly, you do not care whether or not multihulls are represented in the Olympics or not.  Maybe we should talk about the Laser and its suitability as an Olympic class.

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Originally posted by bigcat

Maybe it doesn't matter,and youngsters should sail whatever cats they wish, but a laissez faire system makes for poor age group orientated coaching and competitions.

I wonder how many "cat clubs"  run learn to sail or learn to race programmes specifically for youngsters?

This is the perveding issue that needs to be addressed.  A clear path, a clear progression, one that is bought into worldwide.  Big problem, big issue, but it can be tackled by all of us "small individuals" banding together to make it happen.

 

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Originally posted by TornadoSail2012

Originally posted by Jon Emmett

or maybe we should start looking out for pigs in the sky....

I see that you yourself are in the middle of an Olympic campaign, and if I read you correctly, you do not care whether or not multihulls are represented in the Olympics or not.  Maybe we should talk about the Laser and its suitability as an Olympic class.

 

You could not be more wrong about my caring about multihulls being present at 2012, as I am intending to start a Tornado campaign as soon as I get over my current injury:

 

http://www.jonemmettsailing.co.uk/news.htm

 

I am very aware that the costs of running a Tornado campaign is far greater than a Laser having done both! At the Laser Worlds/Olympics the boats are supplied so there is no development cost. One of the biggest cost in Olympic Tornado sailing is sail development. The logistic costs for Lasers are also much, much smaller!



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