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    Posted: 28 Sep 07 at 10:47pm
Originally posted by Worthy

We asked Bigcat earlier in the thread how to get on the committees but he didn't know.  Can you shed any light on how to get on them please?


Its all on the RYA website, in clear view. None of this is secret, you just have to look...

http://www.rya.org.uk/AboutRYA/policiesobjectives/committees / http://www.rya.org.uk/AboutRYA/policiesobjectives/committeev acancies/why.htm

RACING COMMITTEE (RC)
* C J Atkins Chairman
* P F King RYA Council
N Peters
D Wilkins
R Wilson
J Derbyshire Racing Manager
1 Vacancy (TBC)
Corresponding members:
I Walker


Olympic Steering Group (OSG)
T Hancock Chairman
P Allam
R Andrews
J Derbyshire
S Park
J Simpson

Paralympic Steering Group
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L Dann Chairman
M Barron
C Foster
S Park

Youth Steering Group (YSG)
V Smedley Chairman
M Dempsey
J Derbyshire
Z Elliot
B Visser
D Wilkins
1 Vacancy (TBC)




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I am confused.

The 2nd link you have given (thank you for the link) shows that info is available to join the marketing, offshore racing and match racing committees.  However the info above shows there to be a vacancy in the racing committee and the youth committee.  This may however be due to a delay between amending pages on websites.  If so does anyone know which is correct?

We are interested in the racing, olympic and youth committees.  Does anyone at the RYA know when any vacancies will arise?


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How many of those are actually paid up members of the RYA though - very few I'd expect ...



Sadly you are missing the issues involved and the point of the petition completely.

The RYA is a membership organisation, if your not a member then I don't see how you can grip about it's actions ...
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How many of those are actually paid up members of the RYA though - very few I'd expect ...



Sadly you are missing the issues involved and the point of the petition completely.

The RYA is a membership organisation, if your not a member then I don't see how you can grip about it's actions ...



I don't know why you are so hung up about membership of the RYA, that fact has become irrelevant.

The Spanish sailing community aren't members, but the issue affects them so the RYA should have considered them.  It also affects the Germans, Dutch, French, Americans ...............
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The RYA is a membership organisation, if your not a member then I don't see how you can grip about it's actions ...

Well I am a member and I read the info they send me in the post and I cannot understand their actions as you seem to claim members will understand. I would like to see how members have been made awear of the plan that have been submitted to ISAF



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The only truly entry level catamaran would seem to be the Laser fun boat, and from what I've seen Cat sailors will rubbish it at every opportunity. Well guys, looks as if you've got what you wished for, but it isn't what you wanted... If every club with Cats bought a fleet of Laser funboats and the cat Sailors put the time in helping with training then maybe there'd be a bit more youth Cat sailing. Put up or shut up guys... This Canoe/Skiff sailor puts in time helping out with Toppers.



Not sure where you have got your information from, but this is a very short sighted comment.

The youth catamaran scheme has been doing a lot of work over the years to get youths into catamarans but it has struggled with a lack of support.

Over the last 7 years or so, parents of youth cat sailors and the BHCCA (Hobie association) have been organising intro days for catamarans.  They have used the RYA's fleet of 6 dart 16's which have been around since 1998 ish and are very tired now (this is a point of credit to the dart 16 that they are still going!!).

The people who have shown most promise have been offered entry into the BHCCA charter programme where they have charted boats directly from the UK dealer for a year or so (where, may I add, I believe the dealer has made a loss).

All this has been done off the back of the sailors parents with limited funds and as such are only able to successfully introduce 6 teams in a year.  With better funding and help with advertising and getting kids to have a go the system would be fantastic.  This is what we need, support and advertising at this level.

Regarding an intro level cat.  The best into level cats are the Dart 16 and the Dragoon.  However, as with any skiff, you need a certain level of ability first and so it is necessary for them to have some skill first, whether this comes from monohull experience or cat crewing experience with parents.



It sounds like a good effort, but you're still relying on monohull people to spend years to get the kids to "a certain level of ability". That still means you're taking kids out of monos, doesn't it? Isn't it understandable that the mono people may be annoyed at losing kids to people who have not been devoting years to teaching them, but have come along later when many of the hard yards have already been done and the kids are about to reach Youth level?
 
Some other programmes seem to have foundered on the fact that by the time the kids have spent most of their formative years in dinghies, they prefer dinghies to cats or boards. One of our biggest cat builders noticed that this was a problem.

Get them early, and surely they're much more likely to stay in cats.


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Originally posted by Worthy

Originally posted by Guest#260

How many of those are actually paid up members of the RYA though - very few I'd expect ...



Sadly you are missing the issues involved and the point of the petition completely.

The RYA is a membership organisation, if your not a member then I don't see how you can grip about it's actions ...

This arguement does not wash - many of us sail classes or in clubs affiliated to the RYA. The RYA is a National body that represents all yachting issues not just the paid up members. It is a bit like a democratic government which has to act in the interests of all citizens and not just the minority of the people who bother to turn out and vote for it
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It sounds like a good effort, but you're still relying on monohull people to spend years to get the kids to "a certain level of ability". That still means you're taking kids out of monos, doesn't it? Isn't it understandable that the mono people may be annoyed at losing kids to people who have not been devoting years to teaching them, but have come along later when many of the hard yards have already been done and the kids are about to reach Youth level?
 
Some other programmes seem to have foundered on the fact that by the time the kids have spent most of their formative years in dinghies, they prefer dinghies to cats or boards. One of our biggest cat builders noticed that this was a problem.

Get them early, and surely they're much more likely to stay in cats.




Chris, I agree with what you are saying, but you have unwittingly stumbled upon one of the biggest problems cat sailors have.  You say that mono sailors may be annoyed at losing kids to cats.  I am sure that this is the case.

However, it shouldn't be the case!  Cats are just another form of boat.  There should be no difference between a kid moving into the 420, 29er or the youth cat (then there would be no feeling of losing kids).  But there is.  There is an "us and them" mindset that a number of people have (some cat sailors included) that needs to be removed and then the whole process will run more freely.


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Originally posted by Chris 249

Originally posted by Worthy

Originally posted by JimC



The only truly entry level catamaran would seem to be the Laser fun boat, and from what I've seen Cat sailors will rubbish it at every opportunity. Well guys, looks as if you've got what you wished for, but it isn't what you wanted... If every club with Cats bought a fleet of Laser funboats and the cat Sailors put the time in helping with training then maybe there'd be a bit more youth Cat sailing. Put up or shut up guys... This Canoe/Skiff sailor puts in time helping out with Toppers.



Not sure where you have got your information from, but this is a very short sighted comment.

The youth catamaran scheme has been doing a lot of work over the years to get youths into catamarans but it has struggled with a lack of support.

Over the last 7 years or so, parents of youth cat sailors and the BHCCA (Hobie association) have been organising intro days for catamarans.  They have used the RYA's fleet of 6 dart 16's which have been around since 1998 ish and are very tired now (this is a point of credit to the dart 16 that they are still going!!).

The people who have shown most promise have been offered entry into the BHCCA charter programme where they have charted boats directly from the UK dealer for a year or so (where, may I add, I believe the dealer has made a loss).

All this has been done off the back of the sailors parents with limited funds and as such are only able to successfully introduce 6 teams in a year.  With better funding and help with advertising and getting kids to have a go the system would be fantastic.  This is what we need, support and advertising at this level.

Regarding an intro level cat.  The best into level cats are the Dart 16 and the Dragoon.  However, as with any skiff, you need a certain level of ability first and so it is necessary for them to have some skill first, whether this comes from monohull experience or cat crewing experience with parents.



It sounds like a good effort, but you're still relying on monohull people to spend years to get the kids to "a certain level of ability". That still means you're taking kids out of monos, doesn't it? Isn't it understandable that the mono people may be annoyed at losing kids to people who have not been devoting years to teaching them, but have come along later when many of the hard yards have already been done and the kids are about to reach Youth level?
 
Some other programmes seem to have foundered on the fact that by the time the kids have spent most of their formative years in dinghies, they prefer dinghies to cats or boards. One of our biggest cat builders noticed that this was a problem.

Get them early, and surely they're much more likely to stay in cats.


I teach in a Cat club - Pentewan Sands - all youth and beginner training is carried out in monos as I beleive this is the best way to instill the 5 essentials as basic skills. Many then choose to migrate over to Cats sailing. Why get hung up about losing people to fleets etc we are all dinghy sailors if the olympics is to represent dinghy sailing it cannot ignore a branch of the sport equating to 20% of the international racing fleets.

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Originally posted by Worthy

Originally posted by Guest#260

How many of those are actually paid up members of the RYA though - very few I'd expect ...



Sadly you are missing the issues involved and the point of the petition completely.

The RYA is a membership organisation, if your not a member then I don't see how you can grip about it's actions ...

This arguement does not wash - many of us sail classes or in clubs affiliated to the RYA. The RYA is a National body that represents all yachting issues not just the paid up members. It is a bit like a democratic government which has to act in the interests of all citizens and not just the minority of the people who bother to turn out and vote for it

That's my point; people who don't vote deserve the govenrnmet they get ...

For what it's worth I think there should be a cat in the Olympics but it seems to me this whole thread has lost the plot a bit and the petition premis is incorrect. The RYA didn't suggest dropping the cat from the Olympics, it just didn't back it in the 8/10 slots suggested, still 2 other slots ...
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