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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Oh damn, that rotten point - sorry, you are right the number is about 4.5%.
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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I'm hugely impressed by the way the top cat sailors can pull enormous amounts of speed while seeming to do almost nothing different. It's something I envy a lot - and it exasperates me!
However, maybe sticking yourself away in just one area of the sport is the reason cat sailors (allegedly) lose out in the politics? As you say, windsurfers do the same thing, and as someone who has spent more time on a board than anything else, I can see how it harms us. It's frustrating in some ways, but I can understand it in other ways. And it's hard to see how sailors from cats and boards couldn't learn a lot from the massive numbers of dinghy sailors. Maybe being a life-long cat sailor isn't the best way to medal. Here's what I can find about the background of the last few medallists; 1996 Gold- Loday/Henard – no previous career info available. Silver – Booth (cat sailor)/Landenberger (Div 2 windsurfers, Moth world champ). Bronze- Grael (1984 Snipe dinghy world champ) /Pellicano (no info available) 2000 – Gold Hegara/Steinacher (no bio available) Silver – Forbes/Bundock (cat sailors) Bronze – Gabler (1983 Youth World champ, Laser)/Schwall (no bio available0 2004 – Gold (Hargara/Steinacher) Silver – Lovell (no bio)/ Ogeltree (uni dinghys, 470s, S/20 yachts) Bronze – Lange (Laser 4th '96 Games? Youth Worlds Silver medallist Europe 1982) / Espinola (Mistral Windsurfer silver, 2000) Of those 16 Tornado medallists, 6 were dinghy or board champs, 6 I can't find info on, and 3 (probably more, of course, are cat specialists). Obviously you do have some chance if you're not a life-long cat sailor. |
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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However although there is an aim for a 50-50 split. The IOC have made sure that by 2012 there are only 10 classes, ISAF have agreed to this. So I guess its down to each country to support the best 10 classes that they see medal prospects in. In no way am I supporting the RYAs stance or the way they have conducted themselves, it has been disgusting and underhand. In fairness the only reason the youths are in the Olympic arena now is because the RYA pulled the funding on the F18! Totally agree that cat sailing is a mixed sex sport and should be exempt from a 50-50 mix. |
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SoggyDoggie ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 30 |
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I too, am disappointed with Mr Carr's reply, knidly reproduced by Scooby_Simon (on page five). I detect a whiff of treachery from the RYA. Cat sailors have been let down, and consultation with the multihull community has been non-existant. Instead, the RYA has forgotten how to represent our people, and has chosen to follow an agenda of its own. Take for example, Carr's remarks about funding from the National Lottery. It is usually very difficult to obtain lottery funding. And when it is given, there are many conditions attached. Among these, are a requirement the sexes are treated equally. Put more succinctly, the lottery people have got their fingers up Mr Carr's wotsit, thereby opening and closing his mouth for him. Unfortunately, he can't see that he's a puppet. This is the danger of National Lottery funding. Mr Carr has been stitched into a straightjacket, and all he can do is to eulogise on the 29ers, and the medal hopes of the little darlings that sail them. He has compromised his position for the very reason that he cannot serve two masters. (Matt 6, v 24). There is no call for Mr Carr to mess on his own door step. (He says he has been a cat sailor for 30 years). He should therefore begin to represent our sailors for once. As he rightly puts it, it may be a hard decision for him. Soggy Doggie. |
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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Whilst we should look at the statistics behind these figures we should also look at the structure in place for these countries. The majority have a good structure for sailing in all types of boats and NOT just monohulls. |
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catmandoo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 545 |
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I think Mr Carrs mention of Olympic lottery funding is in response to my and others comments regarding Cat sailors funding of the RYA , I was makingthe point that all racing cat sailors part fund the RYA through affiliation and personal membership , Lottery funding of Olympic teams etc is irrelevant , we as cat sailors should expect some positive representation through our funded corporate body not the exclusion of our sport from youth and olympic competition !!! funded by who ever. I severely doubt the lottery have any views on competitg fleets and leave this to the RYA, ps many of us l fund the lottery too !
Rodd Carrs response is most unnerving . |
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AdrianM ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 03 Apr 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 33 |
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Chris 249 If we take your argument as having some meaning for a minute would you say that 4.5% of the sailing fraternity should therefore have zero class attendance at the Olympics? Of all the dinghy and yacht classes how many individual sailors competed in more than one class? And exactly how many sailors attended the Yngling nationals - I can't find a report on that one. The RYA are selling us down the river qiute frankly but why? The cost of the tornado campaign is obviously prohibitive (but no more so than the afore-mentioned Yngling) and the confusion over the youth cat over recent years can't have helped. When we look at the medals won by the youth cat squad with ever reducing funding then surely it is a very successful part of the youth racing programme. For me, both the youth training and Olympic Cat class (whatever it should be) should be fully supported by our National body. |
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Guest ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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I don't think the Olympics should try to be represenative of our sport ... I think it is the pinnacle of sailing and can't possible represent all activities that may occour under the banner of sailing ... If it was representative then female participation would not be 35% for example ... |
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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Then why bother with any of the Olympics at all? Across all sections of the olympics sports are represented by a full cross section. We are not proposing all sections of sailing are represented, what we want like the other sports is a fair crosssection monohull, board and multihull. |
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