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    Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 9:02am
To go back to the original question....

The boat that tacked had no need to hail and, in my opinion, no right to hail (and certainly was not required by the RRS to hail).

Personally knowing that once he had completed his tack and was then on port I would have ignored him and carried on sailing, he could then shout until the cows come home!

The simple answer is keep away from the port layline.....it only leads to trouble (unless you are very good or very lucky).
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Originally posted by chrisarnell1


I've always believed that if you want to poke your nose inside on a windy gybe mark you'd better accept the consequences of a big gust & just get yourself through the gybe.


*if* you poke your nose in maybe, but supposing you've been overlapped for the last 400 yards... I was thinking how rare it is for me to actually gybe on the wing mark unless its a club course from shy reach to shy reach. In boats that sail hot angles, and especially if the wind has changed, the best gybe point is often upwind or downwind of the mark. I wonder if 18.4 applies then. I'm quite unconfoirtable with the thought of a rule that forces the right of way boat to sail the course differently to the way she would sail in the absence of other boats.
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"When an inside overlapped right-of-way boat must gybe at a mark or obstruction to sail her proper course, until she gybes she shall sail no farther from the mark or obstruction than needed to sail that course."

In this case surely you don't gybe to sail you proper course so the rule isn't applied.
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...wouldn't fancy haveing that argument with the outside boat though!
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Originally posted by Matt Jackson

...wouldn't fancy haveing that argument with the outside boat though!


My thoughts exactly....
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by chrisarnell1


I've always believed that if you want to poke your nose inside on a windy gybe mark you'd better accept the consequences of a big gust & just get yourself through the gybe.


*if* you poke your nose in maybe, but supposing you've been overlapped for the last 400 yards... I was thinking how rare it is for me to actually gybe on the wing mark unless its a club course from shy reach to shy reach. In boats that sail hot angles, and especially if the wind has changed, the best gybe point is often upwind or downwind of the mark. I wonder if 18.4 applies then. I'm quite unconfoirtable with the thought of a rule that forces the right of way boat to sail the course differently to the way she would sail in the absence of other boats.

 

if you've been overlapped for that length of time you should be able to manouvre yourself to a degree to get the best angle of attack, consider a slightly wider entrance  and narrow exit hopefully coming out inside the inner boat. But not going to teach you to sail!!!

However once inside the 2 boat lengths. In my opinion and I would guess 99.9% of protest rooms then the inside boat is almost forced to gybe. remembering that it is up to him to proove that the outer boat failed to give enough room.
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Stuart is getting to the heart of this one -

If inside does not gybe then its for outside to prove he took too much room.

If outside closes in and there is contact inside would need to provide the proof that there was not enough room.

In the conditions described it is in everybody's interest to sail it clean due to risk of capsize and collision.

 
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