yet another 600 thread...

   i should correct myself really, it starts on this thursday, should be a good 4 days. not sure if any other of the more northern/scottish guys are coming, we shall see!

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29er397 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 02 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 505	Post Options Post Reply Quote 29er397 Report Post Quote Reply Topic: yet another 600 thread... Posted: 04 Sep 07 at 10:33pm
	i should correct myself really, it starts on this thursday, should be a good 4 days. not sure if any other of the more northern/scottish guys are coming, we shall see!
	Kielder Water Sailing Club

scummers Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 05 Sep 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote scummers Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 07 at 11:37am
	Hi, Ive had my 600 for 2 years now (781) and pretty much taken it out in anything (up to a f7 the other week) with an angel stick without any bother and i have to say that i dont see how the super spars mast is any better to be honest, the ss masts seem to be of fairly poor quality having dealt with them for many different boats, phantoms n12's etc and to be honest they seem flimsy and of poor quality when compared to either a handmade one, e.g. angel 600 mast, or filament wound e.g. selden. cst spars, etc. i think the angel mast gets far too much stick for what is a great bit of kit, it is far more sturdy and well finished than the ss and looks a alot better if properly looked after and varnished. whilst i have had issues with the mast track, they are alot more sturdy than i plastic glued on one. and to be honest alot of the failure with the early masts can't entirely be attributed to the construction of it, if anything the lack of experience of people in sailing 600's early on and now with far more trapeze classes and also the far greater understanding of how to take care of carbon spars now is a far greater cause of masts being more reliable these days. also have to agree with the forestay going slack, but only had that when in big waves when boat is slamming and probably not enought tension on. sounds like their boat has some serious forestay issues if the tensioner is hitting the deck as on mine the cleat is a good foot off the deck.

Smight at BBSC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 09 Jan 07 Location: Great Britain Online Status: Offline Posts: 1129	Post Options Post Reply Quote Smight at BBSC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 07 at 7:26pm
	On another non-forstay related topic are you aloud to miss out the block and cleat on the floor and just take it off the boom? http://fotoboat.thirdlight.com/viewpicture.tlx?albumid=11464 2&pictureid=5006602 This guy obviously thinks so http://www.rs-association.com/docs/RS600Rulesv2%205_1_06.pdf part 1.2.11 Edited by Smight at BBSC
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mike ellis Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339	Post Options Post Reply Quote mike ellis Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 07 at 8:25pm
	the top link doesnt work smight reading the class rules, 1.3.16, about control line take ups. they may be "altered or improved" in any way, so does that mean that you can have blocks instead of plastic rings on the racks, or is this only allowed on the elastics (back of the rack)
	600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318

Smight at BBSC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 09 Jan 07 Location: Great Britain Online Status: Offline Posts: 1129	Post Options Post Reply Quote Smight at BBSC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 07 at 10:54pm
	If it were allowed or made any differnece i think the top guys would all have it . Sorry about the top link but the jist of the picture was a guy with off the boom sheeting on a 600 Edited by Smight at BBSC
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Villan Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 26 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1768	Post Options Post Reply Quote Villan Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 07 at 11:11pm
	I'm sure its fine to take it straight from the boom when your going downwind. Its not a permanent setup, its probably just easier / more comfortable. Why pull in all that rope through the mainsheet block as you go over waves, when you can just pull the boom in a little? Thats almost like asking wether you should be allowed to grab the falls of the mainsheet to help it across during a gybe.
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craiggo Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810	Post Options Post Reply Quote craiggo Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Sep 07 at 7:23pm
	Some guy tried taking the main off the boom at the Nationals in Phwelli back in 2000 but I think he was only just in the top half of the fleet. He even went to the hassle of removing the swivel base and cleat completely. Regarding the plastic rings, why bother with blocks ? the rings are only acting as a means of holding the controls out on the wings. The controls dont have to run through them particularly well as long as the elastic takes up the tension. Certainly lighter and cheaper than carrying around 6 extra blocks on the boat.

Wave Rider Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 909	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wave Rider Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Sep 07 at 9:24pm
	Mike, dunno if you're interested but I know someone who's wanting to sell their six. The price was 1.3/1.2k at a push as he needs rid of it. PM. for details!
	-[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933

Jimbob Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 05 Sep 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 77	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jimbob Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Sep 07 at 11:27pm
	There really is a lot of bullsh*t written about the 600. Angel v Superspar masts. Most people who have sailed with both think Angel is better, All old 600 masts can have problems. After all they do get a lot of bashing about by people learning to sail the boat. Old Superspars can have problems with the mast track. Angels with the aluminium bottom mast connector, but only if sailed on the sea and not looked after. Mast flexibility; there are diamonds and forestay tension to control that. Sheeting from the boom is not fast upwind. The 600 goes best upwind in light/medium winds when the leech is mainly under MSHT control. On a run or very broad reach in big winds the mast bends well forward and is sloppy unless you use a lot of MSHT and/or Kicker tension tension to control it. But that is slower than loose and sloppy. You takes your pick depending on how brave you are. The Contender is a beautiful looking boat but is past its sell by date. Haven't sailed one, but have raced them, and purely on speed, the 600 gives more bang for the buck. The learning curve for the 600 is steep but when you achieve some mastery (none of us ever attain complete mastery) you have a great sense of achievement.
	Jimbob

Ross Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 02 May 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1163	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ross Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Sep 07 at 11:44pm
	The Contender is like the E-type Jag, it never gets old. A classic design.
	Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it!