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    Posted: 29 Aug 07 at 7:56pm
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Just to add a little more detail. The offence occurred about 5 seconds after the start and the offender immediately took his penalty turns (first offence). Within a couple of seconds of that the recall gun was fired (boats further up the line obscured the flags on the committee boat ). My query is this; a black flag disqualification refers to an incident which happens before the start (i.e boats ocs before the starting gun). Surely in the case of a general recall the race is no longer valid as soon as the starting gun is fired (at which point the RC has decided he is unable to identify a large proportion of the fleet which is over the line) irrespective of whether the recall gun is fired 10, 30 or even 60 seconds after the start !!
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Originally posted by limey

Surely in the case of a general recall the race is no longer valid as soon as the starting gun is fired (at which point the RC has decided he is unable to identify a large proportion of the fleet which is over the line) irrespective of whether the recall gun is fired 10, 30 or even 60 seconds after the start !!


No - the start is only recalled ("invalid" - but I don't like the term) once the RC has made the general recall signal correctly.  Until that point in time all competitors should assume that the start is good. Hence why the decent RC's rib the 1st Sub flag across the front of the fleet.

I don't like the term invalid as under black flag rules then a general recalled start is not 'invalid' as people will get lobbed, and therefore there has to be some 'validity' to that process, even if 10 boats get scored DSQ.
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Originally posted by limey

Surely in the case of a general recall the race is no longer valid as soon as the starting gun is fired

No, you are racing until 1st substitute goes up. See the definition of "racing" I posted earlier in this thread.

 

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a first penalty has been awarded - and turns taken. A repeat offence, at any time during the regatta or series, correctly yellow flagged would mean the competitor should retire from the race.

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