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limey 
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 Topic: Rule 42 (yellow flag)QuestionPosted: 29 Aug 07 at 3:56pm |
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If someone receives a yellow flag for an infringement of rule 42 immediately after the start of a race , but there is then a general recall due to the number of boats over the line does the yellow flag stand and why ??
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Worthy
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Posted: 29 Aug 07 at 4:22pm |
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I don't know the answer, but surely once the start has been aborted (which is on the start gun) you aren't racing so can't get a yellow flag.
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 29 Aug 07 at 4:42pm |
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Interesting question. Racing A boat is racing from her preparatory signal until she finishes and clears the finishing line and marks or retires, or until the race committee signals a general recall, postponement or abandonment.So suppose you take a yellow flag penalty between the preparatory signal and the moment the general recall is sounded. 44.3a says: A boat takes a Scoring Penalty by displaying a yellow flag at the first reasonable opportunity after the incident, keeping it displayed until finishing, and calling the race committee’s attention to it at the finishing line. But a general recall is not a finish. Finish A boat finishes when any part of her hull, or crew or equipment in normal position, crosses the finishing line in the direction of the course from the last mark, either for the first time or after taking a penalty under rule 31.2 or 44.2 or, under rule 28.1, after correcting an error made at the finishing lineSo in my view, you are stuck with the yellow flag penalty even though there was a subsequent general recall.
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 29 Aug 07 at 4:45pm |
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I don't think that's quite correct. The general recall is signalled when 1st substitute goes up, which is likely to be a few seconds later. In the meantime, you are racing. |
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Worthy
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Posted: 29 Aug 07 at 4:55pm |
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But the decision is made at the instant the class flag comes down. It is an interesting one, especially as some penalties specifically carry over after a general recall eg a black flag
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 29 Aug 07 at 5:20pm |
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No it isn't. The class flag coming down is the start signal. The race officer then decides whether the start is clear, single or general recall. It normally takes several seconds to decide to signal general recall and sometimes longer. I can think of plenty of times I've sailed for 15 seconds or more before the general recall is signalled. Plenty of time to get into trouble! |
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Scooby_simon
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Posted: 29 Aug 07 at 5:28pm |
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But you get a new Prep. Signal as part of the re-start after the general recall......
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Worthy
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Yer, but no, but yer, but no, but...... My Vicky Pollard impression is terrible!! I think I will stick to what I said first.
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Lukepiewalker
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Posted: 29 Aug 07 at 5:47pm |
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I refer you directly to appendix P....
http://www.sailing.org/RRS2005/Appendix%20P.pdf |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 29 Aug 07 at 6:00pm |
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My mistake, I thought the question was about alternative penalty yellow flags. |
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