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    Posted: 23 Aug 07 at 10:01pm
Jim - I hate to say it but I think we are nearly agreeing..... the PN differences are only about 4% and the Blaze is not claimed in this corner to be as fast as the 300 - the Hoot will be a lot faster than both in my opinion, you seem to think this might be marginal relative to the 300 and that's about it !   In any macho drag race the simple sailboard would wipe them all.

But I'm still not convinced you've sailed a competive or sorted Blaze so the invitation stands.  When / how exactly did you get to try one ?  Loan boat available for the next event  - yours for the asking.

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It looks like a less bizarre version of the mx-ray without the best bit - the asymmetric.


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I've sailed a Blaze thanks. Its an OK moderate performance boat if you like that sort of thing, and there's nothing wrong with moderate performance boats, which after all are what the vast majority of sailors choose to sail.
But making comparisons with the Hoot or the 300, which are a quite different game, does it no favours at all.

As it happens I didn't think the RS300 speed had a lot of credibility either, it felt like a glitch, but at least it wasn't changing in height 60 feet or more at a time like that comical "Blaze" trace.
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Jim - Our long standing invitation to you actually try a Blaze sometime rather than press your 'opinion' about the boat on the rest of us based on            stands. 

What exactly do you base your own 'claims' on regarding relative merits of various classes and speeds on ?  Rather looks like they cannot be substanciated to me either and not to be taken too seriously without a bit of a yacht around in all these classes yourself first.  The freaks thing is a bit of fun of course - but there are some real numbers out based over longer distances this time rather than 'spot' speeds.  The figues can be regarded as more reliable ..... in my opinion.   Last year a 300 was claimed to have exceeded 23 kn or something like it from memory - 'knocked' at the time but not totally impossible over short bursts.  (I have owned and raced them myself note)  We have never claimed the Blaze is as fast or can be faster than a 300  - just fastish and easier to sail - and that's not inconsistent to the PN difference either though neither boat gets anywhere these speeds bar in the most exceptional conditions.

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Originally posted by blaze720

(see 'speed freaks' etc)

If you believe that figure the you need your head examined... We've quite clearly established that its total b******s
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Better to just build yourself a wide moth, then you will actually get a light weight boat! 40 kilos all up is easily attainable for a boat of those proportions, and even adding gelcoat into the mix should put it in the 50kilo range - not sure where it gains that weight...

In practice the PY will show us the average, why is the blaze nearly 50 points slower than a 300?


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Not many 'spit out the pieces' of the Blaze on speed unless they are a bit exotic and consequently less easy to sail for the majority.  Often a bit of 'giant slaying' is more the order !  The 300 is faster, but only when sailed by a few of the more capable minority who sail them.  In practice the Blaze and the 300 are not far off each other in any real wind.  (see 'speed freaks' etc)  However the Hoot will be considerably faster than both when sorted is my feeling, but then you could just jump on a fairly average board and go faster still with a lot less drama - and it would go on the roofrack even more easily.   It looks like a board rig on a skiffish hull and it's an interesting design - let's see a few over here. 

If you want to go real fast it's simple - low drag, enough sail and keep it light and wrapped up in a good balanced design.   But that does not make it accesible to the majority necessarily.  All boats mentioned are compromises of design and performance and 'ease'  - you pays your money and makes a choice.  The Laser, Solo, Contender etc are great boats, but not because of their speed relative to their competition .... but a hell of a lot of people sail them.

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bet tacking it is a right s%d.... very little rocker,  fully battened sail on bendy stick... hmm stuck in irons in a blow?
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Yeah it would make an intersting race - and only face to face would really tell.  Sail area is same as 300, IC, and Finn!  But how different is the rig.  It looks more up to date and therefore faster - but I had a look at their news board and they been experimenting (and rejected) with stretchy leach panels from windsurfers to control gust response.  So they may have a problem in that area.  The mast looks stayed so the kind of flexible (inc sideways) mast that makes the 300 sailable is probably not available to them (and if it was that fat top would really drive them doen the mine downwind.

Similar weight too.

Cimbine that with monster wings which are not built in to the hull shape like the 300 and it's going to be really hard to sail (there is soem serious angle in those wings!), and heel is potentially going to be terminal.

Finally that very skiffy low rocker hull shape is going to be quite sticky in light airs - the harder turn (is it a chine?) will make it more directional stable than the 300.

So someone import one and we'll have a race!

And better yet stick a T-foil on it, then lower the wings a bit since you'll be riding higher - and I'll have one as a blasting machine when I'm not 300 racing.

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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by turnturtle

I rckon it'll make an interesting race against a blaze X and an RS300 personally.

RS300 area possibly, most likely quicker, but it will eat up a blaze and spit out the pieces..


Probably quicker than a Blaze but I wouldn't say spit out the pieces, a Blaze is a damn quick boat in most winds (and easy to sail too).

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