29erXX

Originally posted by JimC New numbers are issued every spring. If a boat isn't being sailed in its standard config, eg singlehanded, then yes, a different PY number should be allocated. With the Mirror,and maybe some other classes, this happens often enough for there to be an official PY number for the alternate config.

Thanks for that information. So that means all 2007 and Q1/08 results will define the way PY will shift (if at all) from Spring 08. Understood.

standard vs solo PY. I was looking at the RYA csv file earlier tonight and saw this for the Laser Pico for instance. There is a separate listing but it specifies main only in solo config so PY is almost the same. Anyways, 29erXX is not even there in standard config let alone solo.

For what its worth, if 29erXX PY is 850 sailed in standard config with 140kg between crew & helm, what would you reckon the PY would be sailed solo with 90kg lard on the wire?

Thanks for all the information.

Thanks for that clarification. I understand well now. How often are the numbers updated then? Once or twice a year?

Originally posted by 29er397 When i sailed the XX (prototype i believe, but essentially the same boat) it seemed very quick upwind and down. But i really doubt it was faster than the RS800. Just from my own opinion i reckon 850 is a realistic figure. Although, i havn't seen any provisional PY's anywhere.

I have seen it recorded with a PY of 850 in a number of recent events. Ie http://rutlandsc.co.uk/results/2007/040207_TigerTrophy.htm . Anyone know if this is now the official number for the 29erXX?

On this note, would the PY change if a boat meant for two is being solo'ed? In other words is PY based on the theoretical speed of a particular boat at its optimum crew weight & number or is it speed + a certain element of handicap recognizing the challenge? Thanks for educating me on this point. Cheers.

975 spot on? not sure myself. closer to 900 would be better. Or perhaps a split handicap for 2005 rules/old rules boats. Most of the older boats have been converted in to 97 rules rigs by now, if not, 2005 rules. Going by the boats that were at last years nats?

Having sailed a normal 29er against a 2005 rules cherb in various places in various conditions i reckon it should be around 910, comparing speed etc around the course. It is a bit slower than the 9er upwind due to water line length etc, but downwind the cherub makes up its losses and a bit more.

Isn't Phil trying to collate results from last years SSR GP to formulate a more reasonable handicap for the 05 rules boats?

When i sailed the XX (prototype i believe, but essentially the same boat) it seemed very quick upwind and down. But i really doubt it was faster than the RS800. Just from my own opinion i reckon 850 is a realistic figure. Although, i havn't seen any provisional PY's anywhere.

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow You were / are never shy of pronouncing you 6 Cherub Nationals Wins and using that to PR yourself and company Andy...

I haven't for ages, but thanks for mentioning it!

But yes, Cherubs are still very slow in a drift, and there have been too few boats built recently ( which is my fault I suppose ), which makes the PY returns slow to catch up with the real speed increase of the new boats.

What I meant about PR is that each class seemed to say that their class was the fastest, nicest, and best, with no objective comparative reporting.

Edited by I luv Wight