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    Posted: 04 Jun 05 at 7:12am
You are quite right and that is what I said in the first place. However last night I seemed to have a blond moment about it. Or a senior moment. I just about qualify to have both.
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by ChrisJ

Is there still a rule about "not sailing above your proper course once the start gun has gone"?.


No. The only limitation I can think of stopping you sailing above you proper course is 17.1 which stops a boat overtaking from astern and then luffing above proper course. However inside the 2BL circle, rule 18 takes over anyway.



Rule 18 does not apply at a starting mark surrounded by navigable water see 18.1(a). Is this misconception about 2BL at starting marks what causes all the problem on the water?

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Originally posted by ChrisJ

Is there still a rule about "not sailing above your proper course once the start gun has gone"?.

No. The only limitation I can think of stopping you sailing above you proper course is 17.1 which stops a boat overtaking from astern and then luffing above proper course. However inside the 2BL circle, rule 18 takes over anyway.
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Originally posted by Garry

Although you don't have to give room at a starting mark you may have to observe a 'proper course' depending on how any overlap was established

All that stuff goes out of the window inside the 2BL circle and rule 18 takes over. See RRS 18.1.  
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Is there still a rule about "not sailing above your proper course once the start gun has gone"?

This doesn't really apply on a normal windward course - as pinching like mad is a good proper course to get clear wind from the boats ahead. But if you are close reaching to the first mark, there might be a case for not sailing too far above the next mark in order to stop people at the start mark.
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Several points. Although you don't have to give room at a starting mark you may have to observe a 'proper course' depending on how any overlap was established (and remember the anchor chain on the committee boat is still an obstruction). The've got rid of the red flag requirement 'which is good' because I could never find it in the bottom of the boat and I'm going to start just calling protest rather than ask for turns or try and explain the rules - that then leaves me with the option of protesting once I'm ashore. Finally its not always worth protesting or insisting on your rights but deliberate bargers should always be protested otherwise the sport will just go downhill with everyone breaking the rules more and more blatently.
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No red flag is required if you're boat is less than 6 metres long (as with this case).
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Originally posted by Contender443

I asked them to do turns but I did not use the magic word protest

Red flag is also a requirement, although some SIs waive both requirements if the incident was "obvious". RRS 61.1.
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Couple of points.

Yes they were within hailing distance I asked them to do turns but I did not use the magic word protest - my fault.

I let them in to avoid a collision and minor contact was made.
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Rule 61.1 (a) (1)

if the other boat is beyond hailing distance, the protesting boat need not hail but she shall inform the other boat at the first reasonable opportunity;
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