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    Posted: 07 Apr 08 at 9:13am
I wouldn't normally do this, but I'm going to throw the NS14 in to the ring.  Similar to a Tasar but more modern, slightly quicker, very easy to sail (no kite or trapeze), very small sails with low loads.  It is ideal for a novice crew/ different crew every week and also for sailing singlehanded with just the mainsail (I know most two man boats are rubbish in this configuration, but the NS14 sails well like this - they even have a singlehanded champioship in Oz).
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Single hander or two hander really is a key decision. I don't know of a boat that you can really satisfactorily sail with a crew one week and not the next.

Then if you are going to sail with pick up crews then the maximum level of complexity you want to have is a sit out asymettric boat. Performance trapeze boats really need the two of you to be sailing as a team. My pic, actually, if the requirement was to sail a two handed boat with pickup crews would be a quicker two handed boat, something like a Tasar, but I'd probably not bother and get a singlehander...

The most important thing I think you need to do is to jump in every boat going and get a feel for what you like. I like International Canoes at the moment for instance, but that means not a thing when it come sto what boat you should get...

The other thing is that the "get a boat like the ones at your club" is probably good advice if you have no particular preference about what sort of boat you sail. But if you do have a preference you'd better just get something you like sailing. If I owned a Laser I'd never go sailing even though there are loads at my club. I just don't enjoy racing one. But if you do enjoy racing one, and many folk do, then its a safe choice.

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Originally posted by rs405

Whats a good boat to go for after a 405? I am reasonably experienced and currently crew a laser 4000 at club level. I'm too heavy for a 29er but am not really that fussed about single/double hander, though I would need something I can sail with a novie crew. Any suggestions?


Right to drag this back on topic, I recon the RS 200 for non trapezing crew or RS500 to add a trapeze if you want someone else to sail with, or Possibly a Vago for singlehandered and crew option. Seen one but didn't manage a sail last weekend. The downside is ......... its plastic!
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Another important factor when buying a boat is what other classes are sailed at your club. It is much more fun if you have a few boats to race against than going round on your own.
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I think you need to decide what you want from a boat before you ask people what boat they think should suit you. Do you want something fast? wet? challenging? or something you can happily potter about in taking a mate out teaching them to sail? Whats your budget? (this can really affect the boats your looking at) Do you want to race it? Do you want something very low maintainance or do you enjoy making little tweeks to your set up to help improve how well the boat works.

All the above factors will affect what suits you...not any of the forum members who claim my boat is better than your boat ect..

Think about it carefully, buying a boat can be a big finantial commitment (trust me i know from experiance), dont waste your money on a boat what won't suit your needs. Also have a trial sail in whatever class you think you want before you buy... you may change your mind.


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I suggest an asymetric scorpion
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But back to the original point Ian C is right you need to decide what you want because you don't wan't a boat that is a compromise between one thing or another. 
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[QUOTE=Merlinboy]George i have read it and it says it took 30mins on a shifty lake (probably the hardest conditions to sail a 3 in) to sail a 300 at decent pace by a regular circuit sailor, thus suggesting that it is of open circuit decent pace! I was going to take mine to BBSc for the recent open but its a bloody long way to travel for a one day event for me![/QUOTE)

 Fair enough i could see how that could be read like that. In my honest opinion from the couple of times I've sailed the 300 i never really found it that challenging, but have always enjoyed sailing the 300, but for me i prefer the 600.

Ratface, i just sailed at crawley mariners, which is smaller still than where you sail, it was also so shallow that we could put the board more than half way down in the 200. As for the shifts, some of the headers actually tacked the boat, with us still hiking flat out Never ever ever going back there, ever


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George i have read it and it says it took 30mins on a shifty lake (probably the hardest conditions to sail a 3 in) to sail a 300 at decent pace by a regular circuit sailor, thus suggesting that it is of open circuit decent pace! I was going to take mine to BBSc for the recent open but its a bloody long way to travel for a one day event for me!
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Originally posted by Smight at BBSC

Originally posted by Black no sugar

Originally posted by Merlinboy

Originally posted by Smight at BBSC

Originally posted by tmoore

i would second ratface with the rs300. it takes most people a year or so to get the hang of and most people (even on the circuit) will still go for a swim in 20knots +. but when you get it (im just about (?) starting to having bought the boat in august) then it feels so effortless as you fly past slower boats. if you want wet this boat will do that (not with spray). however it is very twitchy and very hard work to keep upright let alone race. i would say its as hard to sail as a single trapeze boat but without the hassle of hooking on etc.

apart from that, try 420 if you want assymetric, i would reccomend the rs500 as a easier to sail 29er which will also take weight well. the 500's are nice and forgiving but still good fun in a breeze and i have been teaching new helms/ crews as school in them (straight after they come out of picos and toppers).

i would say try each boat that you may like and make your decision based on a few sails in different conditions.



took me 30 minutes out on the shifty bbsc to be able to sail the 300 at decent pace, this is according to the regular circuit sailor whose boat i was sailing, but that is after about 6 months in the 600.

 

You must be super human then because steve Cockerill found it hard! The 300 to sail at an open event pace will take 6 months to a year! FACT

Yeah but you haven't met George! He only took so long because he didn't want the other guys from BBSC to feel inadequate, that's all.


Thanks BNS All i'm saying is i didn't find the 300 hard to sail at all and that's on a shifty, gusty lake. I'm not claiming that i'm better than mr. cockerill because that's just not true, ps decent pace doesn't open event pace, before you have a go you might want to read what was said. You can bring your 300 down to bbsc and i'll prove it to you if you like


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