Tacking for the mark - hail

Originally posted by JimC Originally posted by chrisarnell1 I've always believed that if you want to poke your nose inside on a windy gybe mark you'd better accept the consequences of a big gust & just get yourself through the gybe. *if* you poke your nose in maybe, but supposing you've been overlapped for the last 400 yards... I was thinking how rare it is for me to actually gybe on the wing mark unless its a club course from shy reach to shy reach. In boats that sail hot angles, and especially if the wind has changed, the best gybe point is often upwind or downwind of the mark. I wonder if 18.4 applies then. I'm quite unconfoirtable with the thought of a rule that forces the right of way boat to sail the course differently to the way she would sail in the absence of other boats.

 

if you've been overlapped for that length of time you should be able to manouvre yourself to a degree to get the best angle of attack, consider a slightly wider entrance  and narrow exit hopefully coming out inside the inner boat. But not going to teach you to sail!!!

However once inside the 2 boat lengths. In my opinion and I would guess 99.9% of protest rooms then the inside boat is almost forced to gybe. remembering that it is up to him to proove that the outer boat failed to give enough room.

...wouldn't fancy haveing that argument with the outside boat though!

Originally posted by chrisarnell1 I've always believed that if you want to poke your nose inside on a windy gybe mark you'd better accept the consequences of a big gust & just get yourself through the gybe.

*if* you poke your nose in maybe, but supposing you've been overlapped for the last 400 yards... I was thinking how rare it is for me to actually gybe on the wing mark unless its a club course from shy reach to shy reach. In boats that sail hot angles, and especially if the wind has changed, the best gybe point is often upwind or downwind of the mark. I wonder if 18.4 applies then. I'm quite unconfoirtable with the thought of a rule that forces the right of way boat to sail the course differently to the way she would sail in the absence of other boats.

It may not be written in the rules but if you read the definition of room which according to rule 18 often applies at marks then you will see seaman-like is still there.

If I were the outside boat and it was that windy I would ask the inside boat if they intend to gybe or granny as it could be argued that the more seaman like method of getting around the mark is to granny!

In any case I would keep well clear as if you put pressure on them it may precipitate a capsize, at best making the mark a lot wider and at worst ending your race by capsizing on top of you.