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 Topic: Symmetric doublehander for lightish crewPosted: 13 May 07 at 5:14pm |
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The L2 tacks and gybes on a sixpence, shorter boat than the Fireball. The L2 comes up dry after a capsize and you can be sailing again instantly (provided the spinnakers not up)....Lots of cheap L2's about, around 500 - 800 but not worth touching, a good sorted one will cost between £1500 and £2000. New sails from sailboats UK will be £1,199 for all 3. so you could have change from £3000. Ours cost £1500 2 years ago from a guy at Bewl and it was immaculate, we have invested in new sails this year. Edit,,,,,We've just aquired a Laser 2 never used Blue and dayglo yellow spinnaker on e-bay. They should see us comming now (briefly
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JimC
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Posted: 13 May 07 at 3:24pm |
I sailed one many years ago: modern ones will be nicer, but it was certainly an OK boat. There's an awful lot of nonsense talked about transitioning between classes and how one move might be better than another... 470, Laser 2 and Fireball are all really fairly similar to sail. The Laser 2 is really the most modern hull shape - its a generation later than the 470 really whilst the Fireball marches to a different drummer in that respect. The L2 also has the most sensible sized spinnker pole which might be worth something on your lake. But really it probably doesn't matter which one you pick! |
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chrisjc123
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Posted: 13 May 07 at 3:08pm |
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i have not sailed a 470 however i would have thought it is just a bigger and faster version of the 420. however good second hand boats are hard to find as the amount of rig tension they use is alot which means the older boats are floppy and become weak.
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sailor_420
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Posted: 13 May 07 at 12:28pm |
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How much do the laser 2s sell at? Also anyone had any experience sailing a 470? They're virtually identical to the 420 so very easy to move up.
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Rupert
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Posted: 13 May 07 at 7:47am |
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Try fastsail (a collection of fast symmetric classes helping each other out) for more info on sub 1000 classes. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 12 May 07 at 11:42pm |
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The Laser 2 copes fine with the waves on a small lake. As for freeboard, that's half the fun - good sensation of speed. Not so good for roll tacking as the 420, but at least it's an adult boat! And it'll be manoeuvrable enough. Worth having for the kite alone. |
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sailor_420
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Posted: 12 May 07 at 9:48pm |
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yeah the laser sounds good its just the lack of freeboard that im not fussed on, i know the fireball is pretty much the same. How do these boats tack and gybe becase where i sail as its a small lake it means that the courses are short and theres a lot of tacking and gybing, also has to be predictable and quick in the tacks because there about a 2 metre gap between the mark and the lake wall so if you go too far you have a nasty repair bill and because of the length of the fireball it may not be ideal. How do the lasers cope with waves, we get quite big ones and the 420 wobbles all over the place. That information and any more suggestions would be brill
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 12 May 07 at 9:19pm |
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I had a 420, then moved to the Laser 2. Initial impression was that it was appreciably more stable (while lake sailing) initially (i.e. about the upright position) than the 420 - I found that as helm I could hike out without feeling fidgety about needing to come in quickly as I had in the the 420, while trying to sail it upright. Once you let it heel, however, water comes over the gunwale and it capsizes more easily than the 420 which hangs on to a higher angle of heel before capsizing. For those reasons I capsized the Laser 2 much more than the 420, which I capsized only once in over two years - the initial stability of the L2 means you stop thinking about the risk of going over, then suddenly it has happened. On an absolute scale though, both boats are 'stable'. You're right that the L2 is not much quicker than a 420 - especially in windy weather, but it is longer so in F.2-3 it goes faster, and with that marvellous big kite (the best symmetric kite I ever used) set on the long pole, it planes earlier than the 420. I'd recommend it, with the reservation that you need to do a lot of work on the standard boat to make it raceworthy. Not expensive, but quite a lot of little things, unless you buy a ready prepped boat from a class expert. PM me if you buy an L2 and I'll list the things to do. Coincidentally, I bought a Winder Fireball as my next boat. We'd sailed the L2 with 19 stone all-up and it was fine - ideal even, but we felt too light in the Fireball. It's also very stable initially, and we managed OK up to F4, but an 11-12 stone crew was much better. The 'ball is a lovely boat though - far more of a thoroughbred than the L2, which could have been OK with an illegal re-rig. Laser themselves did the necessary when they created the 3000, but that's an asymmetric, of course, so of no interest to you. |
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Posted: 12 May 07 at 7:43pm |
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errm the main fleet is probably the GP14 with 50+ boats and following that maybe the lasers and illutions have a big fleet. Theres quite a lot of handicap races at the club. How would a 470 compare with the fireball on stability, the site says 110 - 145kg which i thinks pretty light. The laser on py doesnt seem far ahead of the 420 so how fast is it compared? Final question, is there any symmetric boats that are easy to sail, stable, easily depowered etc with a py sub 1000? Hope you can help once again |
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chrisjc123
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Posted: 12 May 07 at 7:28pm |
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i would say yes you would probally be trapzing in a F3, also you might be too light to keep up with the pack in F4-F5, so maybe consider a laser 2 until you get a bit heavier. also a big factor is what is the main fleet at your club?
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