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    Posted: 27 Sep 06 at 4:35pm

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by gordon

...otherwise charming Frenchman, who ... boasted that he was responsable for getting the IYRU to select the 470 instead of the Fireball as an Olympic class.


A man to whom the Fireball class should be forever grateful...

so true, can you see the fireballs getting so good a social side to their racing if they were an olympic class?

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Originally posted by gordon

...otherwise charming Frenchman, who ... boasted that he was responsable for getting the IYRU to select the 470 instead of the Fireball as an Olympic class.


A man to whom the Fireball class should be forever grateful...
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Originally posted by gordon

 So instead of a boat that could have been built anywhere in the world, a boat that would have opened up sailing to the developing nations, we got a boat that few people have ever sailed.

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I'd have thought as many 470's have been churned out world wide as Fireballs, if not more? Any country with the technology able to build a fibreglass bath would be able to turn them out. Doesn't mean I don't think the Fireball is nicer, mind...

As for the National 12, ceasing to be a National class wouldn't have to change the name, would it? Instead of being a National "12", become a "National 12". The RYA cannot copyright the word National. And as most classes run perfectly well with RYA affiliation, rather than with RYA governance, life should go on pretty much as normal. I believe the Firefly is in the same situation.



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ISAF has long had a problem in dealing with class rules that are somewhat out of the ordinary.

I once met an otherwise charming Frenchman, who had had a long career in the administration of our sport at the highest level. He boasted that he was responsable for getting the IYRU to select the 470 instead of the Fireball as an Olympic class.

He was somewhat put out when I told him that I believed that was probably the biggest mistake he ever made. He could not get his head round the idea of a boat that had tolerances wide enough to permit widespread home-building by amateurs. He did not believe that the Fireball was a one design. So instead of a boat that could have been built anywhere in the world, a boat that would have opened up sailing to the developing nations, we got a boat that few people have ever sailed.

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The idea of ERS, and its a pretty good one in theory, is that all class rules should be in a common format, using common definitions for everything etc. Thus rules sets get shorter, because there's less in them, simpler to understand because every class' rules work the same and so on. However when I looked at them they only really worked for mainstream one designs.



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Originally posted by CT249

Excuse my ignorance, but what's the setup with ERS?Do all national and International classes have to have their class rules re-written to conform to the definitions in the ERS?


I believe that all International classes are being required to rewrite according to ERS format, and I'm sure that ERS format is compulsory for new International Classes.

Things I've heard make me thing that the RYA is requiring UK National classes to rewrite rules into ERS format.

Why?

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Originally posted by CT249

Excuse my ignorance, but what's the setup with ERS?Do all national and International classes have to have their class rules re-written to conform to the definitions in the ERS?


I believe that all International classes are being required to rewrite according to ERS format, and I'm sure that ERS format is compulsory for new International Classes.

Things I've heard make me thing that the RYA is requiring UK National classes to rewrite rules into ERS format.

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Originally posted by foaminatthedeck

lol


It does have a certain ring to it. But its 2006 not 1984



it's a new water proof hard back edition, especially developed for the
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Post Options Post Options   Quote fizzicist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 06 at 10:59pm

Could someone summarise why ISAF rules would adversely affect the National classes? I'm a tad lost, but it sounds like something remarkably stupid is going on?

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Excuse my ignorance, but what's the setup with ERS?

Do all national and International classes have to have their class rules re-written to conform to the definitions in the ERS?

Can the class exclude some areas of the ERS in its own rules, or do they have to conform?


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